Hi Magnus, Stephen, All,
I was waiting for
Reinhard to have a look at this. He was the person who expressed a preference
for using word rather than learning new technologies. I spoke with him on
Wednesday and suggested he talk with Stephen but he was in the middle of the
LRC conference which he organises so I am not sure that he got around to this.
I think if we are all agreed that this would be a good system we can just go
ahead with it, but I would like to hear Reinhard's comments.
Thanks,
Peter.
From: Magnus
Martikainen [mailto:magnus@trados.com]
Sent: 24 September 2004 18:09
To:
Stephen.Flinter@connectcgs.com; trans-ws@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [trans-ws]
Collaborative editing of the spec
Hi all,
I would suggest that we
give this a try. Any other opinions? If not:
- When can we start?
- Do we need a ballot
to determine whether we go ahead with this?
- Do we need to put
together some official guidelines? Or should we perhaps simply run with it
for now and see how it works?
- Do we need any type
of protection for this site, to avoid external access?
Cheers,
Magnus
From:
Stephen.Flinter@connectcgs.com [mailto:Stephen.Flinter@connectcgs.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004
11:20 PM
To: trans-ws@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [trans-ws]
Collaborative editing of the spec
Magnus,
1. The wiki supports this automatically. When you edit
and update a page, the page has a link 'Back in time' at the bottom. You
can use this to track changes, and rollback if necessary. At present,
this mechanism is pretty rudimentary, but I believe that the developers are
working on something more sophisticated.
2. The notifications are handled through RSS. Check
out www.bloglines.com for a web based RSS aggregator, or FeedDemon
(http://www.bradsoft.com/feeddemon/index.asp) for a windows based one, if
you're not familiar with RSS. Effectively, what will happen is if you
subscribe to the feed, your feed aggregator will poll it on a regular basis
(say every 2 hours), and you'll see any changes there.
3 & 4. The idea behind wikis is that everybody can
add whatever they like, and that through the editing process it all gets
cleaned up properly. What I would suggest is that people put their own
contributions & annotations directly onto the appropriate page, and we can
remove all of this in the final publication. The typical approach that
you see in wikis is that people surround their own contribution with horizontal
lines (e.g. see the note on this page:
http://212.147.140.51:2500/wiki/show/requestQuote to see what I mean).
Obviously, people will have to be sensible about how they
edit this, and not just change anything they want just because it suits them.
Anyway, good to hear that there is some appetite for this.
Regards,
Steve
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Hi Stephen,
This is a great initiative! I am all for
it, it should help us a lot to keep the specs up-to-date if everyone that
identifies an issue can go in and change it directly.
But obviously with that freedom comes some
responsibility, and I guess we may need to put together some guidelines for how
we should work.
I am not familiar with Wiki or RSS so I
have a couple of questions:
* Is it possible to track the history of
the content, retrieve an “old” version, or see exactly what changes
has been done and perhaps reverting to an earlier version?
* Is it possible to get notifications when
content is changed and to see what changes were made?
* It could be useful to be able to do edit
the content as a “change proposal” without it explicitly being part
of the “official” content until it has been signed off by others.
Would this be possible?
* Is it possible to annotate changes with
comments explaining why they were made?
Thanks a lot for taking your time in
setting this up!
Magnus
From:
Stephen.Flinter@connectcgs.com [mailto:Stephen.Flinter@connectcgs.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:51 AM
To: trans-ws@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [trans-ws] Collaborative editing of the spec
All,
given that a number of people are tasked with editing the spec, I thought that
a collaborative environment such as a wiki might be useful. To that end,
I spent a few hours creating a wiki, and making it publically available.
Check out: http://212.147.140.51:2500
For those of you who use RSS feed aggregators, there is also as RSS feed
available, so you can follow progress on the doc:
http://212.147.140.51:2500/wiki/rss_with_content
The wiki engine (Instiki - www.instiki.org) is supposed to have PDF & LaTeX
export functionalaity, but that appears to be broken at the moment.
However, when I get that sorted, it should mean that we can produce a
printable copy of the spec directly from the wiki.
Take a look, and let me know what you think, and whether you reckon it's worth
pursuing with this approach, or whether the posted/emailed Word docs are
better.
Peter, if you're happy with this approach, feel free to post a link on the
TransWS home page. I'll keep the wiki server up for the duration of the
development of the spec (and perhaps move it to a more permanent home if this
exercise is successful).
Regards,
Steve
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Connect Global Solutions
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