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Subject: [ubl-csc] Kavi fwd 2003.03.13b
Redundant citations have been edited out to increase your reading pleasure. Jon ================================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:43:55 -0500 From: Karl Best <karl.best@oasis-open.org> Subject: [chairs] IMPORTANT: need to set up your membership rosters To: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org Chairs: A month ago I did the first import of your current list subscribers into the rosters of your TCs, then asked you to update the rosters by designating members. I did another import yesterday to catch any people who have subscribed since then or for whom we didn't have accounts created. All of these people were imported as Observers. It's up to you to go into the membership roster for your TC and designate which people are members of the TC. You do this by changing the role from Observer to Member of those people who are TC members. Please note that only people with the role of Member (or Chair or Secretary) can post messages to the TC mail list. If you don't designate people as Members of the TC nobody will be able to post messages. I've just done a spot check of a few of the TC rosters and it appears that only about half of the TC rosters have been set up. If you haven't done so already please take the few minutes necessary to designate the members of your TC. -Karl ================================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:19:27 -0800 From: Lauren Wood <lauren@textuality.com> Subject: Re: [chairs] IMPORTANT: need to set up your membership rosters To: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org On 13 Mar 2003 at 10:43, Karl Best wrote: > Please note that only people with the role of Member (or Chair or > Secretary) can post messages to the TC mail list. If you don't designate > people as Members of the TC nobody will be able to post messages. What about Prospective Members? They may show up at meetings, so it makes no sense to me to not allow them to post email to the mailing list. The process doesn't say that they can't, so the Entity Resolution TC allows them to. Lauren ================================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:23:41 -0500 From: Allen Wyke <awyke@blue292.com> Subject: RE: [chairs] IMPORTANT: need to set up your membership rosters To: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org > What about Prospective Members? They may show up at meetings, so it > makes no sense to me to not allow them to post email to the mailing > list. The process doesn't say that they can't, so the Entity > Resolution TC allows them to. We do the same at the EM TC. Also, as a new TC, this is especially beneficial as groups start to formalize - people moving from Prospective/Observer to Member almost daily, and we want to encourage new members to get involved. Allen ================================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:10:12 -0500 From: Karl Best <karl.best@oasis-open.org> Subject: Re: [chairs] IMPORTANT: need to set up your membership rosters To: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org We don't have the granularity of permissions to allow someone to post messages but not to vote or to count towards quorum. Roles in Kavi are either Read-Write or Read-Only for all functions, not for individual functions. (The Chair and Secretary roles have additional permissions for Create to set up new events, ballots, etc.) We've requested that Kavi look into making permission settings more granular, but this will have to be a future enhancement. The only workaround at this point is to make individual TC lists moderated; anyone could send a message but the chair would have to decide whether the message gets sent to the list. -Karl ================================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:16:20 -0800 From: Lauren Wood <lauren@textuality.com> Subject: Re: [chairs] IMPORTANT: need to set up your membership rosters To: Karl Best <karl.best@oasis-open.org>, chairs@lists.oasis-open.org If this is the case, then I guess I could make the prospective members into Kavi-style members but not voting members, since the system seems to allow that anyway. If that doesn't work, then please make the ER TC mailing list moderated since I have no wish to completely disenfranchise the prospective members who are actively working on the ER TC (but just can't vote at the moment). Lauren ================================================================== Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:31:27 -0500 From: Jeff Kenton <jkenton@datapower.com> Subject: Re: [chairs] IMPORTANT: need to set up your membership rosters To: karl.best@oasis-open.org Cc: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org Karl Best wrote: > We don't have the granularity of permissions to allow someone to post > messages but not to vote or to count towards quorum. Roles in Kavi are > either Read-Write or Read-Only for all functions, not for individual > functions. (The Chair and Secretary roles have additional permissions > for Create to set up new events, ballots, etc.) We've requested that > Kavi look into making permission settings more granular, but this will > have to be a future enhancement. > > The only workaround at this point is to make individual TC lists > moderated; anyone could send a message but the chair would have to > decide whether the message gets sent to the list. > What I've done for my committee is to list certain long-time observers as members, but without voting privileges. They don't count toward quorom at meetings, but it makes the software happy. -------------------------- Jeff Kenton DataPower Technology, Inc. Chairman, XSLT/XPath Conformance TC ================================================================== Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:05:11 -0500 From: Karl Best <karl.best@oasis-open.org> Subject: Re: [chairs] IMPORTANT: need to set up your membership rosters To: Jeff Kenton <jkenton@datapower.com> Cc: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org Jeff: You're going to screw up other functionality if you call an observer a member. Only TC members should have the Member role. (And if someone is a long-time observer, and wants to contribute -- or at least you want them to be able to post messages, why don't they become a member?) -Karl ================================================================== Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:26:42 -0500 From: Jeff Kenton <jkenton@datapower.com> Subject: Re: [chairs] IMPORTANT: need to set up your membership rosters To: karl.best@oasis-open.org Cc: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org Well, as others have said, I need to be able to distinguish between long-time contributors who have chosen not to be elevated to voting status (2 of them, at present) and 40 other lurkers who are listed as observers. There's a tension here between me screwing up the software, and the software screwing me up. We need to have some way of distinguishing between non-voting contributors and lurkers. -------------------------- Jeff Kenton DataPower Technology, Inc. ================================================================== Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:38:54 -0500 From: Karl Best <karl.best@oasis-open.org> Subject: Re: [chairs] IMPORTANT: need to set up your membership rosters To: Jeff Kenton <jkenton@datapower.com> Cc: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org, "James (Jamie) Bryce Clark" <jamie.clark@oasis-open.org> Jeff: Let's review what membership means. TC members are the eligible people (OASIS members) who have signed up to join the TC and are maintaining their membership through regular attendance. These are the people who are allowed to participate in the TC discussions and vote on TC decisions. We're providing these new tools to help you, as a chair, administer this. By defining a new class of people (a contributing observer) and tweaking the tools to support this class of person you're circumventing the TC Process and essentially throwing away any benefit that the tools can provide you. Can't we just leave it at members and observers? If someone wants to contribute then they should become a member. Or use the public comment list to send comments to the TC. -Karl ---------------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl>
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