RE: [ubl-csc] [Fwd: [ubl-dev] UDEF applied to CCTS - a Proposal for Alignment]

["CRAWFORD, Mark" <MCRAWFORD@lmi.org>]

agreed.  And from my perspective there is absolutely no reason to adopt UDEF in CCTS as it is unnecessary.

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From: Eduardo Gutentag [mailto:Eduardo.Gutentag@Sun.COM]
Sent: Thu 2/19/2004 8:22 PM
To: Jon.Bosak@Sun.COM
Cc: ubl-csc@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [ubl-csc] [Fwd: [ubl-dev] UDEF applied to CCTS - a Proposal for Alignment]



I'm not sure much more effort should be expended on this at all in 
an UBL forum. 

On a recent occasion I was queried as to when would UBL finally include 
UDEFs; the query was somewhat hostile and it obviously came from a UDEF 
advocate. My answer was that UBL would certainly consider it when it 
became part of CCTS. Surprisingly enough this was accepted as a very 
legitimate answer. I propose that this become our stock answer and let 
CCTS deal with this. We *don't* have to justify ourselves or CCTS. And indeed, 
if CCTS ever adopts UDEF we'll have to consider it... 

Jon.Bosak@Sun.COM wrote: 
> The EIDX event described went off without a hitch Tuesday and 
> served as a reasonable lead-in to my UBL status report immediately 
> following. 
> 
> Garret gave what appeared to me to be a fine overview of CCTS. 
> Ron responded with a UDEF presentation from which I took away the 
> following: 
> 
>  - Both UDEF and CCTS are based on 11179 
> 
>  - UDEF aligns very well with CCTS, and in fact can be considered 
>    CCTS without the third name field (representation term) 
> 
> Don't waste your time arguing with my summary -- I can't accept 
> UDEF's taxonomy to begin with.  But if we do a repeat of this 
> event, I'll ask you to do the CCTS presentation. :-) 
> 
> Jon 
> 
>    Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:13:26 -0500 
>    From: "CRAWFORD, Mark" <MCRAWFORD@lmi.org> 
>    Jon, 
>    =20 
>    UDEF - although an intelligent identifier in that you can derive = 
>    semantic meaning from it - is really a much lower level construct than = 
>    CCTS. UDEF, as really nothing more than a UID for registry contents, is = 
>    really just like a dewey decimal library catalog system.  Yes you can = 
>    decipher what the general concept of a particular artifact are  based on = 
>    the UDEF identifier, but that identifier does not describe to you how = 
>    the contents fit together to make a larger whole. CCTS, on the other = 
>    hand, with its basis in 11179 and object approach, provides a building = 
>    block construct with ever increasing levels of aggregation that fully = 
>    identify associations. So it is really an apples and oranges comparison. = 
>    =20 
>    =20 
>    At last weeks Intelligence Community Metadata WG, I made the case that = 
>    1) CCTS is really an instantiation of ISO 11179 - just as OASIS = 
>    standards are instantiations of W3C specifications and 2) the ebXML = 
>    registry with its robust information model and associations capabilities = 
>    coupled with CCTS and its modeling/storage/metadata/associations = 
>    specifications comprise the semantic content management features of = 
>    ebXML (See attached and feel free to share).  I would hope that EIDX is = 
>    given the opportunity to appreciate the real differences between the low = 
>    level UDEF construct and the much more robust CC methodology. 
>    =20 
>    =20 
>    Mark=20 
> 
>    ________________________________ 
> 
>    From: jon.bosak@sun.com [mailto:jon.bosak@sun.com] 
>    Sent: Thu 2/12/2004 1:46 PM 
>    To: ubl-csc@lists.oasis-open.org 
>    Subject: Re: [ubl-csc] [Fwd: [ubl-dev] UDEF applied to CCTS - a Proposal = 
>    for Alignment] 
> 
>    There will be a session at next week's EIDX meeting in which=20 
>    Garret Minakawa will give an overview of CC and then Ron Schuldt=20 
>    will compare/contrast with UDEF.  Should be interesting.=20 
> 
>    Jon=20 
> 
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