Re: FW: [ubl-dev] Re: the order to invoice cycle (UBL 1.0) (fwd)

[Chin Chee-Kai <cheekai@softml.net>]

Forwarded on behalf of Monica Martin  on her response to above.


Best Regards,
Chin Chee-Kai
SoftML
Tel: +65-6820-2979
Fax: +65-6743-7875
Email: cheekai@SoftML.Net
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Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 15:57:31 -0700
From: Monica J Martin <Monica.Martin@Sun.COM>
To: cheekai@softml.net, alicedelarbre@compaqnet.be
Cc: Dale Moberg <dmoberg@cyclonecommerce.com>,
    Stephen Green <stephen_green@seventhproject.co.uk>
Subject: Re: FW: [ubl-dev] Re: the order to  invoice cycle (UBL 1.0)

Cheek-Kai and Alice,
Dale Moberg forwarded this to me as I am not on ubl-dev list.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chin Chee-Kai [mailto:cheekai@softml.net] 
>Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:25 AM
>To: Alice Delarbre
>Cc: UBL-Dev
>Subject: Re: [ubl-dev] Re: the order to invoice cycle (UBL 1.0)
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>>>Alice Delarbre wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dear Sir,
>>>>I'm student at the University of Liège (Belgium) and I do a work (memoir)
>>>>about the e-gov in Wallonie. I have studied the possibility of introducing UBL into e-government and by
>>>>analyzing the Order-To-Invoice Cycle represented in the UBL-1.0-ProcurementActivity.jpg figure and I put myself some questions:- until when the buyer can send an Order Cancellation or an Order Change?
>>>>        
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>cheek-kai: You can send it anytime based on your business timing.
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mm1: Actually business timing parameters may be found in the business 
process, and could be handled by ebBP. We even have a v2.0.1 ebBP 
conformant instance that uses UBL. See packages uploaded 26 July 2005: 
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/documents.php?wg_abbrev=ebxml-bp. 
Reference Time To Perform. Regards.

>It is not the scope of UBL 1.0 to specify the timings, or ultimate
>timings, of when events should/must/may happen, and what to do otherwise.
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>But when the time comes when business decision has been made to send an
>OrderCancellation or an OrderChange, and if you want to use UBL 1.0,
>then you'll instantiate your business information in the
>format described by UBL 1.0 schemas.
>
>Backend processes, such as what happenes when an OrderChange is made
>towards an OrderCancellation, referencing an Order number that is
>not present, and many other timing/event related situations, are not 
>what UBL 1.0 is set out to specify as well.
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>>>>- how the purchaser knows it if the delivery took place well before 
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>>>paying the invoice?
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>Exactly, the purchaser cannot know from just looking at an UBL 1.0
>instance.  Both modes of payment - payment before and payment after -
>delivery of goods exist in actual scenarios.  Purchaser may want to
>pay after delivery took place, but seller may insist on payment
>before delivery process begins.  So again, it is outside the scope
>of UBL 1.0 to say which is the way.
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>>>>-why this process it is not modelled in UML?
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>Because it's not what UBL 1.0 sets out to do.
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>>>>An other query is why isn't there in the informations over the participants
>>>>(parties) the possibility of putting the electronic address?
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>>>>
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>Which one are you looking at?  Could you use the Contact->ElectronicMail?
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>I can find, for example, Order->BuyerParty->Party->Contact->ElectronicMail
>storing an email address.
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>Hope the above answers your questions.
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>>>>Looking forward to reading you,
>>>>Your faithfully,
>>>>
>>>>Alice Delarbre
>>>>        
>>>>
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>Best Regards,
>Chin Chee-Kai
>SoftML
>Tel: +65-6820-2979
>Fax: +65-6743-7875
>Email: cheekai@SoftML.Net
>http://SoftML.Net/
>
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