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Subject: Re: SV: [ubl-dev] Simple ODF/XForms (OOo2/SO8) for UBL 1.0Invoice

Hi Bryan

Mmm.. I'll think about what else might be relevant
to straightforward XForms. I like the OOo2 XForms
because of availability of software. The issue of use
of the formsplayer addin (which would mean adding
the relevant object declaration to the XForms) is the
limitations it has on browser versions. In OOo2 the
XForms implementation is at an early stage though
so there is an obvious place for pure XForms for
browsers too (just a different set of limitations).

Maybe we should beg someone like Google to
produce a set of AJAX 'forms' too. They would use
the same kind of HTTP request with an XML body
as OOo. I'm not sure if other XForms implementations
use the same. It would be good if all the implementations
used the same (XmlHttpRequest equivalent) so that
server-side code can handle each and every request
the same way (such as reading the 'request' into 
something like DOM). In UK Gov we have something
called the e-Government Interoperability Framework
which seems to suggest all this, though the architecture
could do with refinement and usability as well as better
tool support since it is a clear divergence from or strain
on the traditional HTML form architecture which still has
the mainstream support.

How about an easy way to convert to PDF from the
XForm - again OOo2 may here have an edge (though
the option to create PDF without input boxes would
be a useful addition and negate the need to produce 
separate readonly forms). There's a gap from XForms
to PDF in browsers perhaps. An easy link to an output
form suitable for saving to an (x)html file or printing,
perhaps allowing a received UBL file to be printed or
saved as XHTML might help a lot.

All the best


PS just seeing your other posting, would Danish Gov
think of having OCR read printed UBL?

>>> Bryan Rasmussen <brs@itst.dk> 23/12/05 09:07:48 >>>
Hi Stephen
I'm supposed to be taking over from Micah Dubinko on the mapping of UBL to
Xforms via OO, so it could be that I'll have some questions, additions to
this over the next coming time. I suppose the two points you mention below:
the need to have more than 10 lines, and to strip out empty content are the
most obviously important. Any other things you see as being important to add
to the solution. 
Bryan Rasmussen

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Stephen Green [mailto:stephen_green@seventhproject.co.uk] 
Sendt: 22. december 2005 14:13
Til: ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org 
Emne: Re: [ubl-dev] Simple ODF/XForms (OOo2/SO8) for UBL 1.0 Invoice 

Please note that if you open these forms
from the web archive they will need the
filename extensions changing to .odt
Also, if you have unix/linux you'll need to
change the target filepath/url for the submission
and the same change for the linked file of the
readonly form. At present both point to
file:///c:/invoice.xml <file:///c:/invoice.xml>  so they could be changed
to something like file:///home/invoice.xml <file:///home/invoice.xml>  (not
quite sure if this is correct).
It should be possible to create a simple UBL 1.0
Invoice with one form (saved locally) then use
the other form to read it (from where it is saved)
and convert it to pdf (OpenOffice 2 and Star
Office 8 have this facility). Then either or both
as appropriate could be sent say by email (for
micro/small businesses this might be OK - please
don't blame me if it isn't) as attachments and/or
imported somehow into a finance system or 
spreadsheet (perhaps with an office product
macro, say). Note that the first form, if used to
directly create a pdf, will in OOo2/SO8, produce
a form that can be edited before printing and this
would be unacceptably risky for sending as an
Invoice. Again, please accept that the use of the
forms is at users own risk.
All the best
Stephen Green
PS Really loved Juha's UBL greeting customisation!
Peace and Goodwill to all -
And y'all Love the Almighty back with all you've got!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Stephen Green <mailto:stephen_green@seventhproject.co.uk>  
To: ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org <mailto:ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>  
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 7:07 PM
Subject: [ubl-dev] Simple ODF/XForms (OOo2/SO8) for UBL 1.0 Invoice 

Just in time for the holidays I've produced
(for 'Open Source Academy' but anyone can 
use them if you do so at your own risk) a
couple of forms, one for input, the other for
reading and exporting to PDF, to produce
crude but possible useful UBL 1.0 invoices.
They would probably suit a micro business
and illustrate the ODF/XForms combination
used in OpenOffice 2 and StarOffice 8.
Please forgive the ultra-simplicity (there are
just 10 lines and I couldn't yet find a way to
not output lines when they are void of data).
I'd welcome feedback so I can improve these
(again as part of some open source work).
I hope the archive can accept the attachments,
sorry if this doesn't work - please ignore this
email then and I'll try another way later.
All the best and happy holidays.
Stephen Green


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