Re: [ubl-dev] Biztalk schemas, documentations, general confusion

["Stephen Green" <stephen_green@seventhproject.co.uk>]

Hi Troels

I share the concern about whether BizTalk can handle the
schemas. I admit they are rather complex in their design
but this allows greater extensibility through modularity
and the global decalaration of every element.

I'd point you to the UBL Small Business Subset (SBS) at
http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/prd-UBL-1.0-SBS-2/
as an example of how you might go about restricting
the implementation to a subset of the content. Let me
know if there is more I can say after you've looked at
it. It took a few of us quite a while to devise this subsetting
mechanism and we hope it is reusable. We also include the
means (which we call Universal Business Process to
complement the UBL name) to process such subsetted
document types using the 'Managed Public Processes
Application' pattern of ebXML (which should also
interoperate somewhat with other Web Services if
you keep to the latest specs - and note ebBP 2.0 is just
beginning the late stages of standardisation to help with
this) - if you are after a good design for collaborating
robustly. The SBS is hopefully about to become a
UBL Committee Specification (pending ballot) very
soon. An SBS is being prepared for UBL 2 and we are
considering providing Transport (Waybill, etc) subsets
too at some stage. All that may be necessary for you if
you need documents other than those in UBL 1.0 but
in UBL 2 (and don't wish to customize content).

Sorry I can't advise on BizTalk. Does it have to include
schemas or could you take the schema validation out of line?
You might want to consider how to validate using
Schematron too as that may be handy in validating codes
and subset conformance. There is a nearly complete UBL
codelist methodology and version 0.3 of it relates to UBL 1.0

All the best

Stephen Green


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Troels R Christensen" <troelsriisbrich@hotmail.com>
To: <ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 2:37 PM
Subject: [ubl-dev] Biztalk schemas, documentations, general confusion


> Hi all
>
> I am currently working on a project where we have to enable our client to
> communicate with their partners using different formats - EDI and XML.
They
> will be exchanging standard EDI documents, ORDERS, ORDRSP, INVOIC, DESADV,
> PRICAT and others.
>
> On the EDI they already have a somewhat running solution and
implementation
> guides for the different documents for their partners.
>
> The XML is all new and we have to decide on message formats and
> implementation guides. We would like to stay as close to an existing
> standard as possible and have found the UBL. Unfortunately we are having
> some difficulties.
>
> We are finding it hard to get an overall view of the UBL specifications -
is
> it possible to get further documentation for classes on the class
diagrams?
> ex. descriptions for the attributes.
>
> On EDI they use a subset for the different messages and we would like to
do
> the same for XML, making sure that we are able to communicate the same
> amount of information as with the EDI files. On the DESADV for instance
the
> UBL specification contains far too much information on some points and too
> few on others. Do any of you have any pointers on how to attack a task as
> this? - Creating the implementation guides and schemas to support them.
>
> Finally we will be using Microsoft BizTalk Server 2006 but find that the
> schemas supplied can not be used directly. Do any of you know if it is
> indeed possible to achieve this? Maybe you have tried it? If it is not
> possible at all we will have to create our very own schemas - making these
> as much like the UBL schemas.
>
> Yours - Hope you can help
> Troels
>
>
>
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