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Subject: Re: [ubl-dev] Biztalk schemas, documentations, general confusion


Hi Greg

Many thanks for this much needed news.
I had been rather worried but it's so good
to hear you got on OK using UBL with
Biztalk.

Thanks again

Stephen Green

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <greg.forsythe@xtra.co.nz>
To: <ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 12:19 AM
Subject: RE: [ubl-dev] Biztalk schemas, documentations, general confusion


> Stephen,
>
> I can allay your concerns as to whether BizTalk can handle the UBL
schemas.
> I have been using the UBL 1.0 schema set in a BizTalk environment for
nearly
> 2 years. And have just started testing the UBL 2.0 schema set, my first
> build with UBL2.0 was successful.
>
> Troels,
> It is quite simple to create a BizTalk assembly containing the UBL
schemas,
> you can use the published schemas without having to change them. I have
> attached a BTS 2006 project that will build an assembly containing the
> UBL2.0 schemas. This can be built, deployed and referenced from any other
> project.
>
>
> Regards
> Greg
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Green [mailto:stephen_green@seventhproject.co.uk]
> Sent: Thursday, 16 March 2006 4:07 a.m.
> To: ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [ubl-dev] Biztalk schemas, documentations, general confusion
>
> Hi Troels
>
> I share the concern about whether BizTalk can handle the
> schemas. I admit they are rather complex in their design
> but this allows greater extensibility through modularity
> and the global decalaration of every element.
>
> I'd point you to the UBL Small Business Subset (SBS) at
> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/prd-UBL-1.0-SBS-2/
> as an example of how you might go about restricting
> the implementation to a subset of the content. Let me
> know if there is more I can say after you've looked at
> it. It took a few of us quite a while to devise this subsetting
> mechanism and we hope it is reusable. We also include the
> means (which we call Universal Business Process to
> complement the UBL name) to process such subsetted
> document types using the 'Managed Public Processes
> Application' pattern of ebXML (which should also
> interoperate somewhat with other Web Services if
> you keep to the latest specs - and note ebBP 2.0 is just
> beginning the late stages of standardisation to help with
> this) - if you are after a good design for collaborating
> robustly. The SBS is hopefully about to become a
> UBL Committee Specification (pending ballot) very
> soon. An SBS is being prepared for UBL 2 and we are
> considering providing Transport (Waybill, etc) subsets
> too at some stage. All that may be necessary for you if
> you need documents other than those in UBL 1.0 but
> in UBL 2 (and don't wish to customize content).
>
> Sorry I can't advise on BizTalk. Does it have to include
> schemas or could you take the schema validation out of line?
> You might want to consider how to validate using
> Schematron too as that may be handy in validating codes
> and subset conformance. There is a nearly complete UBL
> codelist methodology and version 0.3 of it relates to UBL 1.0
>
> All the best
>
> Stephen Green
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Troels R Christensen" <troelsriisbrich@hotmail.com>
> To: <ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 2:37 PM
> Subject: [ubl-dev] Biztalk schemas, documentations, general confusion
>
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > I am currently working on a project where we have to enable our client
to
> > communicate with their partners using different formats - EDI and XML.
> They
> > will be exchanging standard EDI documents, ORDERS, ORDRSP, INVOIC,
DESADV,
> > PRICAT and others.
> >
> > On the EDI they already have a somewhat running solution and
> implementation
> > guides for the different documents for their partners.
> >
> > The XML is all new and we have to decide on message formats and
> > implementation guides. We would like to stay as close to an existing
> > standard as possible and have found the UBL. Unfortunately we are having
> > some difficulties.
> >
> > We are finding it hard to get an overall view of the UBL
specifications -
> is
> > it possible to get further documentation for classes on the class
> diagrams?
> > ex. descriptions for the attributes.
> >
> > On EDI they use a subset for the different messages and we would like to
> do
> > the same for XML, making sure that we are able to communicate the same
> > amount of information as with the EDI files. On the DESADV for instance
> the
> > UBL specification contains far too much information on some points and
too
> > few on others. Do any of you have any pointers on how to attack a task
as
> > this? - Creating the implementation guides and schemas to support them.
> >
> > Finally we will be using Microsoft BizTalk Server 2006 but find that the
> > schemas supplied can not be used directly. Do any of you know if it is
> > indeed possible to achieve this? Maybe you have tried it? If it is not
> > possible at all we will have to create our very own schemas - making
these
> > as much like the UBL schemas.
> >
> > Yours - Hope you can help
> > Troels
> >
> >
> >
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