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Subject: Re: [ubl-dev] Biztalk schemas, documentations, general confusion
Hi Greg Many thanks for this much needed news. I had been rather worried but it's so good to hear you got on OK using UBL with Biztalk. Thanks again Stephen Green ----- Original Message ----- From: <greg.forsythe@xtra.co.nz> To: <ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 12:19 AM Subject: RE: [ubl-dev] Biztalk schemas, documentations, general confusion > Stephen, > > I can allay your concerns as to whether BizTalk can handle the UBL schemas. > I have been using the UBL 1.0 schema set in a BizTalk environment for nearly > 2 years. And have just started testing the UBL 2.0 schema set, my first > build with UBL2.0 was successful. > > Troels, > It is quite simple to create a BizTalk assembly containing the UBL schemas, > you can use the published schemas without having to change them. I have > attached a BTS 2006 project that will build an assembly containing the > UBL2.0 schemas. This can be built, deployed and referenced from any other > project. > > > Regards > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Green [mailto:stephen_green@seventhproject.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, 16 March 2006 4:07 a.m. > To: ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: Re: [ubl-dev] Biztalk schemas, documentations, general confusion > > Hi Troels > > I share the concern about whether BizTalk can handle the > schemas. I admit they are rather complex in their design > but this allows greater extensibility through modularity > and the global decalaration of every element. > > I'd point you to the UBL Small Business Subset (SBS) at > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/prd-UBL-1.0-SBS-2/ > as an example of how you might go about restricting > the implementation to a subset of the content. Let me > know if there is more I can say after you've looked at > it. It took a few of us quite a while to devise this subsetting > mechanism and we hope it is reusable. We also include the > means (which we call Universal Business Process to > complement the UBL name) to process such subsetted > document types using the 'Managed Public Processes > Application' pattern of ebXML (which should also > interoperate somewhat with other Web Services if > you keep to the latest specs - and note ebBP 2.0 is just > beginning the late stages of standardisation to help with > this) - if you are after a good design for collaborating > robustly. The SBS is hopefully about to become a > UBL Committee Specification (pending ballot) very > soon. An SBS is being prepared for UBL 2 and we are > considering providing Transport (Waybill, etc) subsets > too at some stage. All that may be necessary for you if > you need documents other than those in UBL 1.0 but > in UBL 2 (and don't wish to customize content). > > Sorry I can't advise on BizTalk. Does it have to include > schemas or could you take the schema validation out of line? > You might want to consider how to validate using > Schematron too as that may be handy in validating codes > and subset conformance. There is a nearly complete UBL > codelist methodology and version 0.3 of it relates to UBL 1.0 > > All the best > > Stephen Green > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Troels R Christensen" <troelsriisbrich@hotmail.com> > To: <ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org> > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 2:37 PM > Subject: [ubl-dev] Biztalk schemas, documentations, general confusion > > > > Hi all > > > > I am currently working on a project where we have to enable our client to > > communicate with their partners using different formats - EDI and XML. > They > > will be exchanging standard EDI documents, ORDERS, ORDRSP, INVOIC, DESADV, > > PRICAT and others. > > > > On the EDI they already have a somewhat running solution and > implementation > > guides for the different documents for their partners. > > > > The XML is all new and we have to decide on message formats and > > implementation guides. We would like to stay as close to an existing > > standard as possible and have found the UBL. Unfortunately we are having > > some difficulties. > > > > We are finding it hard to get an overall view of the UBL specifications - > is > > it possible to get further documentation for classes on the class > diagrams? > > ex. descriptions for the attributes. > > > > On EDI they use a subset for the different messages and we would like to > do > > the same for XML, making sure that we are able to communicate the same > > amount of information as with the EDI files. On the DESADV for instance > the > > UBL specification contains far too much information on some points and too > > few on others. Do any of you have any pointers on how to attack a task as > > this? - Creating the implementation guides and schemas to support them. > > > > Finally we will be using Microsoft BizTalk Server 2006 but find that the > > schemas supplied can not be used directly. Do any of you know if it is > > indeed possible to achieve this? Maybe you have tried it? If it is not > > possible at all we will have to create our very own schemas - making these > > as much like the UBL schemas. > > > > Yours - Hope you can help > > Troels > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This publicly archived list supports open discussion on implementing the > UBL OASIS Standard. 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