RE: [ubl-dev] How do communities enter the eBusiness marketplaceage?

[stephen.green@systml.co.uk]

Hi David

Sounds great. How about a possible set of implementation guides
(e.g. from Tax XML TC) to add to that. And a catalogue of relevant
legal requirements related to localities (maybe a matrix A x B
for a country A party trading with a country B one). The skeleton
could start with a few countries, perhaps those with governments
already supportive of UBL and ebXML.

Plus codelists and maybe some default datatype constraints; the
latter could be controversial, if not topical :-)

Should it be context-aware in any way? Perhaps that can be added
later.

All the best

Steve



Quoting "David RR Webber (XML)" <david@drrw.info>:

> Steve,
>
> I was focusing more just on the broadcast nature of the problem - who do
> two parties find themselves?
>
> After that - how do I make my service attractive / affordable?
>
> But you are correct - tax is an issue in the EU.  Paradoxically I worked
> on an EU funded project to solve exactly that just five years ago.  The
> company was in Belgium - Tertium - and we did a complete design for
> proxy tax services in EU.  Coopers and Lybrand then took over the Phase
> 2 implementation after that - so I'm not sure what happened at that
> point.
>
> What is clear is that providing an eTAX calculation and plug-in service
> agent is very much doable.   And yet another reason to provide that
> infrastructure and reduce costs for participants!!!
>
> So I think we are identifying here the components needed:
>
> 1) Registry and web-facing directory of participants and services by
> classification category (ebXML Registry + HTML)
>
> 2) Downloadable S2Sclient with built-in come UBL simple transactions for
> PO process (ebMS + CPA)
>
> 3) Tax calculation service as proxy web service to provide transaction
> calculation agent (WS* tool to S2Sclient).
>
> 4) Registry of goods categories and tax rates in ebXML Registry for
> support 3)
>
> 5) Support from accounting SW vendors to make integration easy into
> popular solutions.
>
> 6) Government facilitation in EU
>
> Other things to add to the list?
>
> DW
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [ubl-dev] How do communities enter the eBusiness
> marketplace age?
> From: stephen.green@systml.co.uk
> Date: Mon, May 15, 2006 12:56 pm
> To: ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org
>
> Surely we just need it to be as easy as possible for
> someone or some company to send a UBL invoice, etc
> to someone else and there to be no problem for that
> person or company receiving it.
>
> To start with that would be someone under the same
> jurisdictions and laws regarding tax and the like.
>
> In Europe the limiting factor seems to be what is allowed
> by the tax authorities. So here it is needed that it is
> leagl for me to use a simple approach to sending and receiving
> UBL documents - that for one thing my tax authority doesn't
> have requirements making it difficult for me and likewise
> with the same sort of authorities over the one with whom
> I transact.
>
> The next limiting factor may be the technology. There is an
> expense aspect. The first factor may be linked to this - for
> example how expensive is it for me to store the documents sent
> and received electronically? Do I need encryption? PKI? If
> these and other helpful things are provided by someone online
> then how much and who can I use the services with? Again the
> factors are also who can use UBL to trade with me and how much
> will it cost them and do their tax requirements, etc require me
> to add extra to the IT bill (such as digital singatures, etc)?
>
> If I'm not tax registered and neither are my trading partners
> will it all be cheaper and easier?
>
> And the bottom line - what will all this save or benefit me?
> Will I just plain and simple have to do it to stay in business
> trading with my customers (or suppliers) or will there be positive
> reasons to use UBL and electronic transactions?
>
> Is it all, in the end, going to be down to slick service providers
> and lots of clever advertising where I hardly have to make a choice
> (as with a mobile or broadband) or government led (like digital TV)?
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
> Quoting "David RR Webber (XML)" <david@drrw.info>:
>
>> The need for ebXML and UBL today is just as important and relevant as 5
>> years ago; maybe even more so!
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/14/world/europe/14italy.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&th&emc=th
>>
>>
>> (you'll need to accept their free registration to read this item).
>>
>> How do we create communities of practice that can plug together people
>> across the globe?
>>
>> And more important - reduce their distribution costs so they can
>> continue to compete effectively and find new markets for their skills?
>>
>> Perhaps we need a benefactor to step up - or someone within the EU - to
>> create the registry and downloadable S2Sclient infrastructure for UBL
>> transactions.
>>
>> Note - we're just deploying S2Sclient here at NIH this week based on
>> Hermes that allows folks to request information and update data
>> regarding their grant applications in a secure and trusted way.
>> Plug-n-play ebXML-based grant requests - pre-packaged download and
>> install - using all open source / open license components.
>>
>> So we know the technology exists for the infrastructure already.  Next
>> we need people to take this to the iPod/ebXML level by establishing a
>> project to do that for UBL-based accounting.
>>
>> This would be a self-help service.
>>
>> Of course those needing the next level of integration - Roger Bass,
>> RedHat and others are happy to assist.
>>
>> But I'm seeing here - that folks like the industry in Italy don't have
>> legacy - so for them its a simpler question of just needing something
>> to help them get online and plugged in.
>>
>> I see that online tourism and reservations is web enabled today by
>> countries tourism ministries and has made that whole industry sector
>> accessible.  What about light manufacturing and agriculture sectors?
>>
>> Any takers?  Perhaps the Italian and German departments of commerce
>> joint initiative?
>>
>> DW
>>
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