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Subject: Re: [ubl-dev] UBL Adoption Group?
Here's an example which might demonstrate what I perceive (maybe) as the need: suppose two countries decide to only accept those elements which their national tax regulations require (and understand), if that was paper we were talking about there would be no likelihood of an invoice from another country being rejected just because it isn't fully understood or fully compliant with the receiver's country's tax regulations - it would be accepted if it complied with the sender's regulations and there would be provision for international trade laws and treaties I guess but if the localisation effort isn't too careful it could result in rejection of a UBL invoice for those very reasons - just because it doesn't fit the local subset so having some global view of things would help localisation specialists properly do their work and not go creating interoperability problems (indavertently) in their zeal to properly cater for their own area's needs not that they would just ignore cross-border issues like receiving invoices from other areas of localisation and in other subsets but they might benefit from warnings about what is best practise when creating a localisation - in practise and not all localisers are going to be sponsored by national governments or multinational vendors :-) ------------------------------------------------------------ Stephen Green Senior IT Officer Bristol City Council Room G34, Romney House Romney Avenue Bristol BS99 3HB Tel: 0117 922 3794 Fax: 0117 922 4877 Email: stephen_green@bristol.gov.uk >>> "Stephen Green" <stephen.green@bristol.gov.uk> 24/05/07 16:58 >>> Don't there need to be 'guidelines' on how these large subsetting and profiling efforts like NES, CODICE, SBS and smaller ones like SystML2 (smaller in resoources, not scope) should provide for interoperating with eachother - for example over tax support? Codes, I agree, are for the vendors, ERPs and endusers to agree, maybe with some localisation effort help (though even here some measures to align such help might be of * major * value). But there is a lot more to UBL than codelists - and relying solely on a mixture of what the UBL could foresee and happy accidents (serendipity) between localisations and other subsets seems a bit overly risky for what is actually at stake. Is a customisation guide by the TC all it takes? ------------------------------------------------------------ Stephen Green Senior IT Officer Bristol City Council Room G34, Romney House Romney Avenue Bristol BS99 3HB Tel: 0117 922 3794 Fax: 0117 922 4877 Email: stephen_green@bristol.gov.uk >>> "Stephen Green" <stephen.green@bristol.gov.uk> 24/05/07 16:20 >>> Thanks Roberto But who is responsible for ensuring the localisations can interoperate, e.g. in cross-border trade (and surely the whole point of UBL is to facilitate such)? Best Steve ------------------------------------------------------------ Stephen Green Senior IT Officer Bristol City Council Room G34, Romney House Romney Avenue Bristol BS99 3HB Tel: 0117 922 3794 Fax: 0117 922 4877 Email: stephen_green@bristol.gov.uk >>> <roberto@javest.com> 24/05/07 16:15 >>> hello, I think this is the job of Localization sub-committees, adoptions and customizations are driven by locale-based problems, even when locale means "europe" thus not a specific country. Only Local estabilishments are able to obtain such locale information needed to a customization even when talking about an industry. But you are right we do not have a centre for adoptions (should be UBL TC itself). Also we do not have an LSC for each country/language yet. Regards, Roberto Cisternino UBL ITLSC > Greetings again UBL-DEV members, > > I'm wondering if anyone would be interested > in the idea of establishing a UBL Adoption > Group - perhaps as an 'OASIS Member Section' > http://www.oasis-open.org/who/ms-overview.php > > I've absolutely no idea of the costs, etc and > overheads of doing this, nor have any commitment > to being able to follow it through. > > I just wondered what interest there might be. > > My idea would be to use it to look at anything > like adoption facilitation e.g. profile definitions > - such as turning subsets and profiles defined > for specific needs into ones targeted at broader > audiences and maximal interoperability. And > seeking to support alignment of subsets and > profiles defined outside UBL. > > I guess certification would be out of scope but > maybe there would be scope for defining > conformance requirements of aspects of UBL > not covered in the specs or establishing any > needs for profiles and customisations. > > It could reference work from other groups like > the new OASIS TAG TC and the UN/CEFACT > COD group. > > I'd be pleased to hear from anyone interested, > on or off list, and hopefully keep those who > contact me abreast of developments. That's > about all I could commit to personally at the > moment though and there are no funds I'm > aware of to help. Just in case this makes sense > to enough people though. > > All the best > > Stephen Green > > stephengreenubl@gmail or details as below > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Stephen Green > > Senior IT Officer > Bristol City Council > Room G34, Romney House > Romney Avenue > Bristol BS99 3HB > Tel: 0117 922 3794 > Fax: 0117 922 4877 > Email: stephen_green@bristol.gov.uk > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Please note the new simpler name for our website: > http://www.bristol.gov.uk > > Our email addresses have also changed - visit > http://www.bristol.gov.uk/bigchange for further details. > > Sign-up for our email bulletin giving news, have-your-say and event > information at: http://www.bristol.gov.uk/newsdirect > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: ubl-dev-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org > For additional commands, e-mail: ubl-dev-help@lists.oasis-open.org > > Roberto Cisternino --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: ubl-dev-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: ubl-dev-help@lists.oasis-open.org ______________________________________________________________________ Please note the new simpler name for our website: http://www.bristol.gov.uk Our email addresses have also changed - visit http://www.bristol.gov.uk/bigchange for further details. 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