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Subject: Re: [ubl-dev] UBL Adoption Group?
A good point about UBL 2.0 and CEFACT but I think the plan is that UBL TC does maintenance and that no work on UBL 2.x at all will be done by CEFACT. But I take it that there is a limit to what can be done in a TC because of its charter an IPR, especially once it has delivered its standard(s). So even localisation SC's fall under the TC charter restrictions Plus CEN is mainly Europe, not covering US, S.Am. Asia, Africa, etc Ultimately it submits to CEFACT and therefore to move to the global scope may only be relevant to post-UBL, CEFACT work - providing for interop and conformance globally for UBL would, I think, be out of scope even for the CEN projects I would hate to think of this falling between the cracks - sorry, I would more than hate it, I would try all I can to prevent it :-) after all these years - as of course would the rest of the TC so I don't intend to tread on any toes with this suggestion ------------------------------------------------------------ Stephen Green Senior IT Officer Bristol City Council Room G34, Romney House Romney Avenue Bristol BS99 3HB Tel: 0117 922 3794 Fax: 0117 922 4877 Email: stephen_green@bristol.gov.uk >>> <roberto@javest.com> 24/05/07 17:16 >>> > Don't there need to be 'guidelines' on how these large subsetting > and profiling efforts like NES, CODICE, SBS and smaller ones like > SystML2 (smaller in resoources, not scope) should provide for > interoperating with eachother - for example over tax support? That is one of the main reasons for a CEN involment for an "European Common Subset" for e-Procurement. > > Codes, I agree, are for the vendors, ERPs and endusers to agree, > maybe with some localisation effort help (though even here some > measures to align such help might be of * major * value). > > But there is a lot more to UBL than codelists - and relying solely > on a mixture of what the UBL could foresee and happy accidents > (serendipity) between localisations and other subsets seems a > bit overly risky for what is actually at stake. > > Is a customisation guide by the TC all it takes? Mmmm, I think a partial answer is given by the reason why the code list methodology is migrating to the code list TC. I am sure that the input for such cross-industry and cross-border localization will be handled by localizers at the same manner their work is done for guides and software locale bundles. The reason for an LSC into UBL is I think to promote adoptions and because a no-profit effort cannot pay easely localizers. Localizers will be paid by Vendors. Genericode is under evaluation of UN/CEFACT too I remember. If we want give a free localization for code list I think this should be done inside something like CEFACT and its TBGs as they are the input. That is because UBL should stop at 2.0 within OASIS, isn't it ? Just some thinking... brain storming. Thanks Roberto > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Stephen Green > > Senior IT Officer > Bristol City Council > Room G34, Romney House > Romney Avenue > Bristol BS99 3HB > Tel: 0117 922 3794 > Fax: 0117 922 4877 > Email: stephen_green@bristol.gov.uk > > > >>>> "Stephen Green" <stephen.green@bristol.gov.uk> 24/05/07 16:20 >>> > Thanks Roberto > > But who is responsible for ensuring the localisations > can interoperate, e.g. in cross-border trade (and > surely the whole point of UBL is to facilitate such)? > > Best > > Steve > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Stephen Green > > Senior IT Officer > Bristol City Council > Room G34, Romney House > Romney Avenue > Bristol BS99 3HB > Tel: 0117 922 3794 > Fax: 0117 922 4877 > Email: stephen_green@bristol.gov.uk > > > >>>> <roberto@javest.com> 24/05/07 16:15 >>> > hello, > I think this is the job of Localization sub-committees, > adoptions and customizations are driven by locale-based problems, even > when locale means "europe" thus not a specific country. > > Only Local estabilishments are able to obtain such locale information > needed to a customization even when talking about an industry. > > But you are right we do not have a centre for adoptions (should be UBL TC > itself). > > Also we do not have an LSC for each country/language yet. > > Regards, > > Roberto Cisternino > UBL ITLSC > >> Greetings again UBL-DEV members, >> >> I'm wondering if anyone would be interested >> in the idea of establishing a UBL Adoption >> Group - perhaps as an 'OASIS Member Section' >> http://www.oasis-open.org/who/ms-overview.php >> >> I've absolutely no idea of the costs, etc and >> overheads of doing this, nor have any commitment >> to being able to follow it through. >> >> I just wondered what interest there might be. >> >> My idea would be to use it to look at anything >> like adoption facilitation e.g. profile definitions >> - such as turning subsets and profiles defined >> for specific needs into ones targeted at broader >> audiences and maximal interoperability. And >> seeking to support alignment of subsets and >> profiles defined outside UBL. >> >> I guess certification would be out of scope but >> maybe there would be scope for defining >> conformance requirements of aspects of UBL >> not covered in the specs or establishing any >> needs for profiles and customisations. >> >> It could reference work from other groups like >> the new OASIS TAG TC and the UN/CEFACT >> COD group. >> >> I'd be pleased to hear from anyone interested, >> on or off list, and hopefully keep those who >> contact me abreast of developments. That's >> about all I could commit to personally at the >> moment though and there are no funds I'm >> aware of to help. Just in case this makes sense >> to enough people though. >> >> All the best >> >> Stephen Green >> >> stephengreenubl@gmail or details as below >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> Stephen Green >> >> Senior IT Officer >> Bristol City Council >> Room G34, Romney House >> Romney Avenue >> Bristol BS99 3HB >> Tel: 0117 922 3794 >> Fax: 0117 922 4877 >> Email: stephen_green@bristol.gov.uk >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> Please note the new simpler name for our website: >> http://www.bristol.gov.uk >> >> Our email addresses have also changed - visit >> http://www.bristol.gov.uk/bigchange for further details. >> >> Sign-up for our email bulletin giving news, have-your-say and event >> information at: http://www.bristol.gov.uk/newsdirect >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: ubl-dev-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: ubl-dev-help@lists.oasis-open.org >> >> > > > Roberto Cisternino > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: ubl-dev-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org > For additional commands, e-mail: ubl-dev-help@lists.oasis-open.org > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Please note the new simpler name for our website: > http://www.bristol.gov.uk > > Our email addresses have also changed - visit > http://www.bristol.gov.uk/bigchange for further details. > > Sign-up for our email bulletin giving news, have-your-say and event > information at: http://www.bristol.gov.uk/newsdirect > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Please note the new simpler name for our website: > http://www.bristol.gov.uk > > Our email addresses have also changed - visit > http://www.bristol.gov.uk/bigchange for further details. > > Sign-up for our email bulletin giving news, have-your-say and event > information at: http://www.bristol.gov.uk/newsdirect > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: ubl-dev-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org > For additional commands, e-mail: ubl-dev-help@lists.oasis-open.org > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Please note the new simpler name for our website: > http://www.bristol.gov.uk > > Our email addresses have also changed - visit > http://www.bristol.gov.uk/bigchange for further details. > > Sign-up for our email bulletin giving news, have-your-say and event > information at: http://www.bristol.gov.uk/newsdirect > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Please note the new simpler name for our website: > http://www.bristol.gov.uk > > Our email addresses have also changed - visit > http://www.bristol.gov.uk/bigchange for further details. > > Sign-up for our email bulletin giving news, have-your-say and event > information at: http://www.bristol.gov.uk/newsdirect > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: ubl-dev-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org > For additional commands, e-mail: ubl-dev-help@lists.oasis-open.org > > Roberto Cisternino --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: ubl-dev-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: ubl-dev-help@lists.oasis-open.org ______________________________________________________________________ Please note the new simpler name for our website: http://www.bristol.gov.uk Our email addresses have also changed - visit http://www.bristol.gov.uk/bigchange for further details. 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