Re: [ubl-dev] Applicability of 'Forwarding instructions' in the absence of an ordering context

[Jan Algermissen <algermissen1971@mac.com>]

Hi Andy,

yes, this helps, thank you.

I think my major issues with these documents and processes is that I  
am unsure if the transported good must have been subject to a  
previous ordering process. Can you confirm that the logistics  
processes you mention below are completely independent from any  
previous sourcing and ordering processes?

On a different subject: the ordering of the transport services is  
just a separate issue, but could also be done using UBL, yes? I guess  
that usually a seller would at some point send an order for  
transportation services to the transport service provider in order to  
establish the general contract for using thetransport services. The  
transport service provider would propably bill the seller for the  
individual transports but ordering would cover the service in general.
Am I making sense?

Thanks for the help,

Jan

On 18.02.2008, at 15:46, Andrew Schoka wrote:

> Jan,
>
> You asked:
>
>> What about other areas of logistsics (coordination of service
>> providers) - is UBL intended to fit or has this never been  
>> considered?
>
>
> I would call your attention to the complement of transport-related  
> documents
> in UBL 2.0.  It would seem that these have relevance to your question
> regarding coordination of service providers. In a transport context, a
> freight forwarder does just that, function as a coordinator obtaining
> transport services for a goods provider needing to have his  
> consignment
> delivered perhaps using multiple (mode) carriers.
>
> The UBL 2.0 documents and library are designed to support typical  
> transport
> business processes including an “Initiate Transport Services  
> Process” and a
> “Report Status of Goods Process.” These processes define the  
> ordering of
> logistical services for international trade. With receipt of an  
> order and
> acknowledgement by the Supplier Party that the goods are available  
> and ready
> to be shipped, the Consignor or Consignee initiates the transportation
> arrangements. This includes booking the consignment with a  
> Transport Service
> Provider such as the Freight Forwarder or Carrier and advising the  
> Delivery
> Party of the arrangements as needed. UBL document types in these  
> processes
> are Forwarding Instructions, Packing List, Waybill, Bill of Lading and
> Transport Status.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Andy Schoka
> AMSchoka Consulting LLC
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jan Algermissen [mailto:algermissen1971@mac.com]
> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 11:15 AM
> To: ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: [ubl-dev] Applicability of 'Forwarding instructions' in  
> the absence
> of an ordering context
>
> Hi,
>
> (thanks so far for the thoughful responses, I'll reply to those later)
>
> I have a use case from the car leasing domain and have a question
> regarding the applicability of UBL.
>
> The use case is taken from the car remarketing part of the leasing
> domain: when a leasing contract ends, it is (at least in Germany)
> comman practice for the leasing customer to drop of the car at some
> location (e.g. her home address) and inform the leasing company that
> the car can be picked up.
> The leasing company will then issue a request to some third party
> transport service supplier to pick up the car and deliver it to the
> company's used car parking lot.
>
> For the collaboration between the leasing company and the transport
> service provider I would like to apply UBL processes and documents
> but I am not sure
>
> - whether UBL's processes are applicable at all
> - whether the request to the transport service supplier is an offer
> or a forwarding request
> - how to best go about extending the appropriate document to provide
> the transport parameters to the
>    service provider (location, vehicle plate number,  time of pick up
> etc.) - this seems like a general
>    issue when ordering services, ...yes?
>
> There are about half a dozen other processes in the remarketing
> domain (many of them service requests)....should I generally try to
> extend the UBL or is the use case domain so different that I should
> make up my own processes and documents (maybe reusing UBL components)?
>
> What about other areas of logistsics (coordination of service
> providers) - is UBL intended to fit or has this never been considered?
>
> Thanks for help,
>
> Jan
>
>
>
>
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