Re: [ubl-dev] SAF-T vs XBRL-GL vs UN/CEFACT Accounting Entry

Dear All,

Do you know which standard and messages are used in your country for reporting GL Transactions (AP, AR, Inventory) related to Tax reporting ?

In Portugal SAF-T is adopted a few years ago and in the UK XBRL but what is happening in the other countries. Maybe Tax Authorities are still analysing and discussing what direction to follow.

What I would like to accomplish is greater adoption of one of these !

I just uploaded part of the presentation / concept I am working on:
http://www.slideshare.net/danga/compliant-p2-p-o2-c-processes-v9-1-a-ubl-dev

It is nothing new but I would like to push it within the Europe as a compliant solution / exchange process enabling the abolishment of and a way to stop the whole discussion around digital signature which is hampering e-invoicing from being adopted.

Do you believe this can be done and who is willing to participate in this endeavour IF it is still needed ?

kind regards
Danny Gaethofs

From: Stephen Green <stephengreenubl@gmail.com>
To: Robert Lemense <r.lemense@skynet.be>
Cc: Danny Gaethofs <dgaethofs@yahoo.com>; ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2009 1:29:42 AM
Subject: Re: [ubl-dev] SAF-T vs XBRL-GL vs UN/CEFACT Accounting Entry

Robert, it's very interesting to see this work progressing.
Any indications from tax authorities (e.g. UK's and
others in EU) whether the UN/Cefact Accounting Entry
messages will be accepted for tax reporting besides
XBRL? Do they overlap with XBRL regional taxonomies?
Are there schemas yet? I imagine there being no problem
getting such a standard accepted by tax authorities but
how far away might we be from tax reports being
submitted using these TBG12 ebXML messages? Any
mapping been done to any tax reporting XBRL
taxonomies?
---
Stephen D Green
Document Engineering Services Ltd

2009/7/8 Robert Lemense <r.lemense@skynet.be>

Hi,

About UN/Cefact Accounting Entry:

The final BRS "Accounting Entry" is available at

http://www.uncefactforum.org/TBG/TBG12/TBG12%20Documents/TBG12_BRS_Accounting_Entry_v1_2.doc

and the RSM supporting the UN-Cefact standard "Accounting Entry" is available at

http://www.uncefactforum.org/TBG/TBG12/TBG12%20Documents/TBG12_RSM_Accounting_Entry_1.21.doc

The information for VAT return (and/or other periodical reports) corresponding to an amount booked by an entry line detail into an account from an invoice line is identified using "Linked_ Report. Details" BIE; (see canonical class diagram in RSM page 13)

Regards,

Robert Lemense

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From: Danny Gaethofs

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Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 3:16 PM

Subject: [ubl-dev] SAF-T vs XBRL-GL vs UN/CEFACT Accounting Entry

Dear all,

I am looking into other ways to establish "(tax) compliant" e-invoicing and abolish the use of e-signatures where these are used purely for proving the authenticity of origin and the integrity of content to Tax Authorities..

Years ago - and probably they still exist - we had Intrastat and Extrastat messages to be exchanged with authorities to align tax reported (paid and deducted) in different EU Member States at least from what I recall. It has been almost 10 years now that I implemented these to support the sales and purchase processes across countries (borders).

With respect to electronic invoicing I am looking at ways to close the administrative financial process by reporting registered sales and purchases to tax authorities.

The invoice is the most important document in the purchase-to-pay and order-to-cash processes. However in my view the invoice should be seen as a part of the total exchange of information that all together provide sufficient proof that a valid transaction took place between two business partners.

I spent a lot of time searching more information about the adoption level of SAF-T and XBRL-GL for the purpose of reporting to Tax Authorities on a frequently basis (at least once a month). Neither of these seem to be generally accepted by Tax Authorities.

Apart from that I also looked at the UN/CEFACT Accounting Entry BRS which at current is only available in draft version.

I looked at the OAGIS BOD's and noticed there are a few messages for exchanging GL information between systems but not with Tax or Financial Authorities.

Are there any plans within OASIS UBL to develop these kind of GL reporting messages for Tax or Financial Authorities to accomplish compliant e-invoicing ?

Kind regards
Danny Gaethofs

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