RE: [ubl-dev] eInvoicing - Help California make the right choice

Subject: RE: [ubl-dev] eInvoicing - Help California make the right choice - Please vote

David,

I agree with you that showing ROI is key to a project like this.

I assume that you agree with me that there is still a lot to be saved in cost if you compare FAX OCR with real eInvoicing. So - lets say that you only save 5 minutes per invoice with real eInvoicing. Moving up the ladder and combining eOrdering with eInvoicing - you can save an additional 7 minutes in the handling of every invoice. These numbers are significant and I would argue that even the unions should be able to see that there is a shift happening in the way we do business. Its better to move the resources previously spend on paper handling to other activities. Activities that reduces the administrative barriers for businesses and increases the service for citizens. California could choose a solution where people were not fired, but got another position in the organization. This combined with not filling empty positions should be able to reduce the work force. Also private companies will benefit and if California moves ahead of the curve - everyone will benefit. It is a competitive advantage and new jobs will be created in the private sector. I think that the GSM analogy is quite good for what could happen. Thousands of jobs were created in Europe in the cell phone industry. Thousands of jobs will be created in software companies taking advantage of the new possibilities with electronic business processes. Thousands of jobs will be lost in the public sector at the same time - this is an inevitable development and California now has a choice of whether they want to see the job creation in Silicon Valley or in Europe.

Back to work - no more replies tonight. I have a PEPPOL-presentation to prepare for tomorrows conference in Malmö.

Regards

Mikkel

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:27 PM, David RR Webber (XML) <david@drrw.info> wrote:

Mikkel,

Big problem now is showing ROI.

Reality is that the big guys all gone to digital FAX OCR equipment - and having small businesses use FAX forms.

Perhaps the next generation of Web 2 app's will finally kill off that. But for now - every place I go here in USA - the FAX machine is still king.

Now you add as Roger mentioned - unions not wanting to see job cuts - and you have too big of a political mountain to climb.

Thanks, DW

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Subject: Re: [ubl-dev] eInvoicing - Help California make the right
choice - Please vote
From: Mikkel Hippe Brun <mhb@tradeshift.com>

Date: Mon, February 08, 2010 5:15 pm
To: "David RR Webber (XML)" <david@drrw.info>

Hi David,

I realize that my proposal might not be exactly what they are asking for. However I would argue that paper-based work flows and 10-finger interfaces is a worse legacy problem than COBOL-based systems. And the money they save on invoicing can be used to convert the legacy systems to more modern technology. But I am biased :-)

One thing that I have learned from working in government is that it is important to frame your project in the context of a current political agenda. You can have the best idea and technical solution, but nothing will happen without political support. I know that this sounds obvious - but coming from an XML technologies background this was a new learning to me.

Also thank you for the links. We had the same kind of initiatives in Europe in the mid 90's and nothing happend. I would like to see governments really lower the barriers for private sector suppliers. And everyone on this list knows that we have the technology available today. It is just a matter of showing some leadership.

All the best

Mikkel

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:20 PM, David RR Webber (XML) <david@drrw.info> wrote:

Mikkel,

Seems like you are wanting to hit the wrong nail with your UBL hammer! ; -)

CA is actually asking for help with replacing its aging COBOL systems.

They have already implemented electronic invoicing starting in 1995!!!

<http://www.dir.ca.gov/dwc/DWCPropRegs/WCIS_Regulations/EDIGuide_Final.pdf>

<http://www.electronicmarkets.org/issues/volume-5/volume-5-issue-1/v5n1_agar0.pdf>

Thanks, DW

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [ubl-dev] eInvoicing - Help California make the right choice -
Please vote

From: Mikkel Hippe Brun <mhb@tradeshift.com>

Date: Sun, February 07, 2010 7:11 am
To: ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org

California CTO P.K. Agarwal has responded to criticism over the
antiquated nature of the state of California’s IT systems with a
challenge to come up with ways to rebuild California’s IT systems at
one tenth the cost. See
http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/02/06/california-cto-challenge/

A crowdsourcing site, "California Government Looking For Your IT
Ideas", has been set up to gather input and votes from the community.
See http://ca_it.ideascale.com/a/panel.do?id=7163

I have suggested that California implements electronic invoicing based
on UBL. The business case is obvious and experience around the world
has shown that several hundred of millions of dollars can be saved
every year. California (and the rest of the world for that matter) can
not afford to postpone this. Please have a look at my submission and
cast your vote: http://ca_it.ideascale.com/a/dtd/19551-7163

Best regards,
Mikkel

Mikkel Hippe Brun
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Best regards,
Mikkel

Mikkel Hippe Brun
Chief Technology Officer, Cofounder

Voice: +45 3118 9102
Skype: hippebrun
Twitter: @hippebrun @tradeshift
Mail: mhb@tradeshift.com
Web: http://tradeshift.com

Tradeshift Network Ltd / 37 Friars Avenue / London / N20 0XG / UK

Best regards,
Mikkel

Mikkel Hippe Brun
Chief Technology Officer, Cofounder

Voice: +45 3118 9102
Skype: hippebrun
Twitter: @hippebrun @tradeshift
Mail: mhb@tradeshift.com
Web: http://tradeshift.com

Tradeshift Network Ltd / 37 Friars Avenue / London / N20 0XG / UK

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