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Subject: RE: [ubl-dev] Re: 17 Pre-Award document types


Ken,

Appreciate the comprehensive answers here.

Will follow up and review when I have time next week.

It is frustrating though that the W3C continues to completely ignore OASIS work like it does not even exist.

Thanks, David

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Subject: [ubl-dev] Re: 17 Pre-Award document types
From: "G. Ken Holman" <gkholman@CraneSoftwrights.com>
Date: Fri, May 13, 2016 9:34 pm
To: "David RR Webber (XML)" <david@drrw.info>,
"ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org" <ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>

At 2016-05-13 14:05 -0700, David RR Webber \(XML\) wrote:
>What would be really helpful is having the workflow diagrams
>(preferably BPMN) for the business processes that are involved.

The Pre-award Subcommittee will be preparing this as part of the
package sent to the TC to work on. I believe the swim-lane diagrams
are the responsibility of other groups and we are providing the
documents to be used.

>This allows people to clearly see what the overall need is, if those
>align with their workflows, what omissions may be there.

Understood, though I don't ask subcommittees to echo details to UBL
Dev, so folks need to follow the committee work. A benefit of OASIS
membership is to be able to sign up to a committee or subcommittee
and have the messages arrive as they are sent. Others can view the
archives. If people can't make the deadline then they can identify
omissions during the first public review since we are focusing right
now on requirements.

The pre-award subcommittee mail list archive where we have been
working on this is at:

https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-pre-award/

>And then people can see the 17 documents in context and understand
>how the puzzle fits together.
>
>Without that its a bit like me giving you a jigsaw in a box - but
>without the picture on the lid - and asking if there are any
>missing pieces.

We are only gathering requirements before May 31 and then looking at
them all. People can review the subcommittee meeting minutes, or
they can just compare their needs to 2.1 and those needs can be
analyzed with the others.

Per the governance document we ask those making suggestions to
document their need, prototype their idea under the extension point
in XSD (which may or may not be accepted verbatim) and provide test
XML data against their XSD.

In recent months I've made some tools freely available for anyone to
create validation artefacts from spreadsheets. The Pre-award SC is
using them to prototype their XSDs by augmenting the model itself
with suggestions ... users are welcome to do that as
well. Instructions and links to the latest tools are found at:

http://goo.gl/DgMAqy

>BTW - link to the public comment @ OASIS would be handy too -

This has been on our committee home page since its inception:

https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ubl

... which points users with the "Send a Comment" lozenge button to:

https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/comments/index.php?wg_abbrev=ubl

>this is the first I'm hearing about any of this.

Our governance document dictates a 3-year development cycle which
would have mandated work complete at the end of January.

The final date of May 31 was decided at the end of January, minuted here:

https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201601/msg00013.html

I suggest interested parties consider membership in OASIS and on
UBL's TC and subcommittees. Many hands make light work. New ideas
are always welcome to be considered. We need to know what people
need from UBL.

. . . . . . . . Ken


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