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Subject: Re: [ubl-fssc] Formal proposal for subcommittee (fwd)
At 2003-03-13 15:57 +0800, Chin Chee-Kai wrote: >I suppose I can buy the point the the team is likely to have >a high degree of internationality (not sure if there's such a >word, but you know what I mean), but I was referring to the >origin I grant that the main office of the organization and the board of directors are both US-based, so I concede the appearance of that as being US-centric. Though interestingly in all my committee work I have never perceived the committee work as being US-centric. >That's why >I suggested "international". Since you intend to focus on >politics, I thought you might want to know this. Now that you have raised my awareness of this issue, I am unsure how to address it ... again, I never perceived the UBL work as being US-centric. > >>Can you recommend simpler phrasing? Have I successfully conveyed the > >>objective of the group is to produce standards that are not biased to any > >>given implementation technology? > >I've mentioned my recommended phrasing right at the start, so >probably won't take up space here. Again I apologize, Chee-Kai, as I was hoping you might have revised wording based on the feedback I gave you regarding your original wording. >I think I differ slightly in the understanding of "machine-to-machine". >What UBL does at this stage (0p70 and likely up to 1p00) is to >specify and standardize, through the use of XML base language, >an abstract set of vectors in the information space used by >businesses into machine understandable and human-agreeable form. I do not agree with the use of the term "abstract" ... I see the schemas as quite concrete and the sole representation of XML as being targeted for machine-to-machine communication. Our formatting specification efforts are an adjunct to the original mandate of 1p00 meant for the convenience of users and as a precursor to future mandates of UBL that were conceived at the time UBL was formed (when such presentational facets of UBL were explicitly postponed to some later date that has come to the fore earlier than originally envisioned). >UBL doesn't (yet) include transport-level specifications to >define how a UBL document instance is to be enveloped, transferred >and subsequently dettached from one machine to another. That I understand to be the purview of ebXML protocols. I confess my focus has been on UBL and this has been an assumption on my part, such that I am ignorant of the details of ebXML. Can anyone else on the list clarify that the transport-level is out-of-scope for UBL and in-scope for other aspects of ebXML? >We >experimented a bit on that aspect in our XIP project and got >into further issues such as the presence of document brokers >which would then require document routing meta-information to >be stated in the envelopes, etc. But that's another discussion. Agreed .... and I suspect as a discussion in another venue. Looking at the deliverables in http://oasis-open.org/committees/ubl/charter/ubl.htm I see nothing regarding the routing or other transport-related information of the business documents. ><Macro name="already"> >I've already provided a complete suggested wording right at >the start of my initial mail. If focus and objectives differ, >I can't really word it the way you want it, coz, focus and >objectives differ. ></Macro> I'm sorry, again I was looking for middle ground by putting forward my perspective and how it might modify your originally suggested wording into a new wording you would accept that accommodated my feedback. ><Invoke-Macro ref="already"/> :{)} Having heard no other input to the charter from others on the committee, I'll repost a revised version of that document. ............... Ken -- Upcoming hands-on in-depth XSLT/XPath and/or XSL-FO North America: June 16-20, 2003 G. Ken Holman mailto:gkholman@CraneSoftwrights.com Crane Softwrights Ltd. http://www.CraneSoftwrights.com/o/ Box 266, Kars, Ontario CANADA K0A-2E0 +1(613)489-0999 (F:-0995) ISBN 0-13-065196-6 Definitive XSLT and XPath ISBN 0-13-140374-5 Definitive XSL-FO ISBN 1-894049-08-X Practical Transformation Using XSLT and XPath ISBN 1-894049-10-1 Practical Formatting Using XSL-FO Male Breast Cancer Awareness http://www.CraneSoftwrights.com/o/bc
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