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Subject: Re: [ubl] Draft IDD 2.0 templates

Hello everyone,
these templates are automatically generated to let the IDD get generated
(and updated) through each template during the localization process.

This reason we'll have to add a business process column everywhere on each
template for uniformity reasons.

Also I suggest the Business Process column will be coded to have a little
column and avoid shifting the Excel view continuously during translations
(usually the English and other locale columns need to be visible at the
same time).

Another advise is about the UBL name and definition columns which are
often repeated on the IDD, this reason if we collect all UBL modules
together and we apply an ascending order on the UBL name we'll find we
could save lot of time by translating only one occurrence instead of

This is against the templates we prepared of course because we cannot
understand immediately we are translating the same sentence.

Also, in order to have a uniform localization I remember on the IDD 1.0 I
had to revise all the IDD by using "find" and "replace" features.

After templates will be done and collected into the final IDD I will
suggest to ITLSC to have a global check on this.

Such "uniformity check" I think should be done ordering by the English UBL
Name and definition.

Your comments are welcome !

Best regards

Roberto Cisternino

> Dear Jon Bosak,
> Dear Roberto Cisternino of the ITLSC,
> Thank you very much for your making and sending to us the IDD 2.0
> templates.
> 1. My answer to your question
> As you pointed out, I have proposed to add one column (No. (Number)
> column)
> in the translation spreadsheet at the UBL TC Singapore meeting.
> Because, I thought that the No. (Number) column will help us to manage the
> spreadsheet in the printed spreadsheet.
> All attendants of the meeting said that the No. column is unnecessary. Ken
> Holman advised that if you need the No column, you can use Excel function.
> We agreed that the No. column is unnecessary. I think the Conclusion in
> the
> meeting is that No. column is unnecessary.
> But, in my opinion, I like the spreadsheets that have No. column. Because
> you made and sent the spreadsheets to us.
> 2. Additional comment about Common library
> As you know, the contents of the Common library include common ABIEs,
> Procurement ABIEs, and Transportation ABIEs.
> I think that this information is very important regarding IDD spreadsheets
> for users.
> I propose to add "Context: Business Process" column in the Common library
> spreadsheets.
> In JPLSC situation, we will translate these many spreadsheets by 7
> persons.
> Because the UBL V2.0 spreadsheets are very huge. The number of BIEs in the
> UBL V2.0 spreadsheets is about 2,000 (2 thousand).
> The Persons in charge of translation of Common library is two persons. One
> will translate Common ABIEs and Procurement BIEs. The other one will
> translate the Transportation ABIEs. Therefore, JPLSC need the information
> of
> "Context: Business Process".
> If many UBL members will think that the Context: Business Process
> information (additional column) is unnecessary, I will follows the
> opinion.
> We will manage this issue by other methods.
> For your information, I attached the translation table of our JPLSC. This
> table indicates the business document, number of BIEs, and the person in
> charge in Japanese language.
> Best Regards,
> Yukinori Saito (Vice Chair of UBL JPLSC)
> -------------------------------------------
> Yukinori Saito
> Fuji Electric Information Service Co., Ltd. (FIS)
> e-mail: saito-yukinori@fujielectric.co.jp
> Tel: +81-3-5435-7333     Fax: +81-3-5435-7513
> -------------------------------------------
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 2:43 AM
> Subject: [ubl] Draft IDD 2.0 templates
> Hello UBL TC (and especially the localization subcommittees),
> Thanks to Roberto Cisternino of the ITLSC, we have a set of draft
> spreadsheet templates for the UBL 2.0 International Data
> Dictionary:
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/21306/idd2-templates.zip
> The plan is for all the translations to use this set of templates
> so that the final IDD can easily be assembled from the work of the
> individual LSCs.
> Note that there are actually two sets: one with a Column A that
> numbers the info items independent of the row numbers (in the
> directory withnum), and one without that column (in the directory
> sansnum).  I asked Roberto to generate both versions so that we
> would have both ready to go when we decide which to use.
> I know that JPLSC requested the added number column, but I'm not
> clear on the reasoning behind this; I can't think of any use for
> the item number that couldn't equally well be met by a row number
> without cluttering up the interface with an extra column.  Please
> take a look at this and be ready to discuss in next week's TC
> calls.  It would help to have either a brief statement of
> rationale from JPLSC or their actual participation in next week's
> Pacific TC call so that I can understand the reasons for having
> the extra column.
> Jon

Roberto Cisternino

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