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Subject: RE: [ubl-lcsc] [QA] 11/6/2002: Revisions to Scope Document
All, Businesses frequently issue purchase orders for a period of time, say a month, with multiple planned releases during the period. The pulp and paper industry is an example of one of these industries where this practice is common. An order will be sent from a publisher on the 15th of the month for shipments to be processed in the following month and the cycle repeats itself every month. This industry has the luxury of a fairly predictable cycle of usage and orders are fairly consistent, where quantities ordered will be similar for a given month when compared to the same month over a 3 -5 year period. This histogram is used by mill management and product schedulers to measure predicted usage and to estimate production cycles for various product grades, sizes, etc. If I'm reading the proposal and position correctly, you are saying that if I create an order, generated on the 15th of the month (say July 15th for August shipments, and we're into the 10th of August) you would re-generate the order completely if I have changes for a 14th and 20th release - even though it's the 10th and shipments would have been released against the original order. This practice is not uncommon and is, in fact, the norm in this business. I would suspect that in a JIT environment, orders with multiple line items representing releases over a period of time would be even more common. These are not blanket orders, by the way, so we can't just say "that's a blanket order and we'll deal with it in another transaction". Are we looking at real business practices and the associated ERP or legacy applications that support them? If the goal is to create a library of data elements available for industries to model transactions like this after, that's good enough. We just need to make sure the tools are given to the practitioners to be able to build these transactions and their usages. Terry Schager Principal Aeon Consulting 322 Pleasant Hill Rd. Landrum, SC 29356 864.468.5429 (H) 864.360.1549 (M) tschager@earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: Monica Martin [mailto:mmartin@certivo.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 4:35 PM To: Bill Meadows; ubl-lcsc@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: [ubl-lcsc] [QA] 11/6/2002: Revisions to Scope Document I agree with Lisa's suggestion, as partial orders are often used. Note that the change would be a separate business transaction within the business collaboration. Thanks. Monica J. Martin Program Manager Business Development Manager Drake Certivo, Inc. 208.585.5946 -----Original Message----- From: Bill Meadows [mailto:Bill.Meadows@Sun.COM] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 1:57 PM To: ubl-lcsc@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Re: [ubl-lcsc] [QA] Revisions to Scope Document We said at Burlington, that any change no matter how big or small, would mean a complete resend of all fields. I believe that is what that sentence is trying to convey. Your suggested addition does not impact that it is a complete resend of the message. I am OK with your suggested addition. We might need to clarify that all items, fields, will be resent. just my $.02 Bill > Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 12:59:07 -0600 > From: Lisa Seaburg <xmlgeek@gmi.net> > Subject: [ubl-lcsc] [QA] Revisions to Scope Document > To: Ubl-Lcsc <ubl-lcsc@lists.oasis-open.org> > MIME-version: 1.0 > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-priority: Normal > List-Owner: <mailto:ubl-lcsc-help@lists.oasis-open.org> > List-Post: <mailto:ubl-lcsc@lists.oasis-open.org> > List-Subscribe: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl>, <mailto:ubl-lcsc-request@lists.oasis-open.org?body=subscribe> > List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl>, <mailto:ubl-lcsc-request@lists.oasis-open.org?body=unsubscribe> > List-Archive: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-lcsc/> > List-Help: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/elists/admin.shtml>, <mailto:ubl-lcsc-request@lists.oasis-open.org?body=help> > List-Id: <ubl-lcsc.lists.oasis-open.org> > > Suggestions for changes to the Order Change Section: > > Order Change > > [existing]The Order Change is sent from the Buyer to the Seller as a complete replacement Order. > > Are we saying that this can only be this one scenario? Experience tells us that this is used as partial changes also, or do we not even want to go there. Discussion?? > > > [add] Buyers can initiate a change to a previously accepted order. Buyers may change an order for various reasons such as changing the ordered items, quantity, delivery date, ship-to address, etc. Suppliers can accept or reject the change order using the order response document. [end of add] > > > > Referenced documents: PIP3A4: Purchase Order Change Message. Version 1.1 RosettaNet.; CHGORD: Purchase Order Change 99A. UNEDIFACT; 860: Purchase Order Change. 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