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Subject: Re: [ubl-lcsc] [QA-0p70] Digital Signature Comment


I agree.  Rather than look to expand our scope of work, let's defer the appliation/transMission stuff to ATG an ebXML TRP .
Mark Crawford
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-----Original Message-----
From: A Gregory <agregory@aeon-llc.com>
To: Eve L. Maler <eve.maler@sun.com>; Lisa Seaburg <lseaburg@aeon-llc.com>
CC: Ubl-Lcsc <ubl-lcsc@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Fri Apr 11 14:57:46 2003
Subject: RE: [ubl-lcsc] [QA-0p70] Digital Signature Comment


I hate to bring this up again, but this is exactly the kinf of issue being
addressed by the UN/CEFACT "Generic Header" project. (Need to preserve
envelope information when document itself is processed.) Is there any
alignment between various groups worth pursuing here?



-----Original Message-----
From: Eve L. Maler [mailto:eve.maler@sun.com]
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 11:40 AM
To: Lisa Seaburg
Cc: Ubl-Lcsc
Subject: Re: [ubl-lcsc] [QA-0p70] Digital Signature Comment

I agree with David's comment.  If you rely on digital signing only at
the message envelope layer, then the payload becomes dependent on having
the message layer around when the latter would otherwise have been

An example of including the relevant XML Signature elements can be found
in the SAML specification:


See in particular the "core" specification and the schema modules:


...though note that the SAML group is in the process of further
tightening and expanding its usage of XML Signature.  One thing we
learned is that it's immensely useful to put ID attributes on the
elements that are likely signing targets, as it's too expensive to use a
more complicated XPath to refer to these elements.


Lisa Seaburg wrote:
> Eve,
> One of the comments on 0p70 is from David Burdett and goes into digital
> signatures.  We (the QA Team) would like your feedback on this one. Is
> this out of scope, should this be discussed at the Face to Face?
> Lisa
> David's comment:
> "UBL documents cannot be digitally signed directly."
> His proposed solutions:
> "Add an optional XML Dsig element to the root of each document and
> guidelines on how it should be used.
> Often the authenticity of a UBL document will need to be determined
> using cryptographic techniques. One way of doing this is to sign the
> document together with the envelope in which it is contained as, for
> example, ebXML Messaging provides [1]. However, this means that you HAVE
> to keep the message around in order to later prove authenticity when the
> message is being processed. This adds to complexity and only works if
> messaging protocols such as ebXML Messaging are being used.
> A better alternative is to include an XML DSig digital signature [2]
> element as an *optional* element at the root level of every UBL
> document. I would also recommend that a guideline is provided that
> describes how XML digital signatures should be used inside a UBL
> document in order to improve interoperability.
> [1] ebXML Messaging specifications,
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ebxml-msg/#documents
> [2] W3C XML Digital Signature Specification,
> http://www.w3.org/TR/xmldsig-core/
> QA Team recognized importance of this area. Security was out of scope
> for 0p70, but will be taken up at F2F."
Eve Maler                                        +1 781 442 3190
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