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Subject: Re: [ubl-lcsc] Re: [ontolog-forum] [Fwd: [ubl-lcsc] Modeling CoreComponent Types]
i would love to join but the time is bad for me. also, i should point out that UBL has no role in desgning these things (CCTs) - they are given to us by CEFACT. all i was trying to do was describe their spec as a UML model to get a feel for what the relationships were. I would be the first to say they could be better - but its not our problem. to be honest i think it would confuse everyone to try and redesign these. it is hard enough getting people to understand what they are now. Peter Yim wrote: > > One comment we could make for them right away > > would be that amounts and units should be in a hierarchy and be > > used with a single relation instead of having various dedicated > > and unrelated relations like Amount and AmountCurrency, as in > > the current components. ... > > Thanks, Adam. > > Tim, you got that (please consider this the first installment of a > response from [ontolog] :-) )? > Can you join us on 2004.03.04 when we will try to specifically tackle > this matter during our regular phone conference? > > Cheers. -ppy > -- > > ==== > Adam Pease wrote Wed, 25 Feb 2004 11:22:20 -0800: > >> Peter, >> Thanks for clarifying. One comment we could make for them right >> away would be that amounts and units should be in a hierarchy and be >> used with a single relation instead of having various dedicated and >> unrelated relations like Amount and AmountCurrency, as in the current >> components. SUMO already has an extensive hierarchy of unit types, >> with full semantic definitions for each. >> >> Adam > > > ...[snip]... > >>>>> Adam Pease wrote Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:01:29 -0800: >>>>> >>>>>> Peter, >>>>>> This sounds like a good opportunity. I would suggest that we >>>>>> offer SUMO + MILO + Invoice as core components. I also agree >>>>>> that after people start trying to formalize terms (my message of >>>>>> 1/16/04 suggests who might try which terms) and come up to speed, >>>>>> that Tim's list would be a good next step. >>>>>> I've left off the UBL mailing list from the cc list until the >>>>>> group reaches consensus on this. >>>>>> Adam >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>> > > >>>>>> At 06:34 AM 2/12/2004 -0800, Peter Yim wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Given our charter, I would invite the [ontolog] community to: >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> 1. review Tim's input (message below and the two attachments). >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> 2. seek clarification (where appropriate), discuss & comment. >>>>>>> Note that Tim McGrath (UBL-LCSC), Sue Probert (UN/CEFACT-TBG17), >>>>>>> and a good number of pertinent players (like Monica Martin, Bill >>>>>>> McCarthy, John Yunker, Farruhk Najmi, Marion Royal, Eduardo >>>>>>> Gutentag, ... etc.) are actually either active or observing on >>>>>>> this [ontolog-forum] list. >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> 3. consider how "you" would (or "we" should) have tackled it, >>>>>>> with an ontological engineering approach, giving the >>>>>>> methodologies the ontolog community has been deliberating and >>>>>>> working on. >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> 4. consider tackling this as our first real formalization >>>>>>> requirement in the UBL-Ontology project, once we, as a team, get >>>>>>> past learning the ropes in SUO-KIF formalization. (ok with you, >>>>>>> Adam?) >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> 5. would be wonderful if we can reach some concrete and >>>>>>> actionable conclusions (in relatively short order) and provide >>>>>>> that as feedback and recommendations to Tim/UBL. >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> 6. for other pertinent references, see: >>>>>>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UblRelease1_0 >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> PPY >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>>>>> Subject: [ubl-lcsc] Modeling Core Component Types >>>>>>> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:01:40 +0800 >>>>>>> From: Tim McGrath <tmcgrath@portcomm.com.au> >>>>>>> To: ubl-lcsc@lists.oasis-open.org >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> The UBL Library has been built upon a set of data types/core >>>>>>> component >>>>>>> types defined by the CEFACT CCTS v2.0 specification. >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> To date, we have relied upon hand crafted schemas to define >>>>>>> these. This has resulted in a few problems... >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> a. the schemas have to be mapped to the representation terms in >>>>>>> the UBL models. >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> b. they have not always been synchronized with other deliverables >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> c. the provide a disjointed view of the overall UBL library. >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> Over the past few weeks we had had various discussions about how >>>>>>> to deal with this in a more controlled manner. >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> One of the options is to go back to our basic design approach >>>>>>> and create models of these from which XSD code can be >>>>>>> generated. I know the Michael Dill has been keen to see this. >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> To this end I have dug into the CCTS specification and created a >>>>>>> model >>>>>>> of the Core Component Types - both as a UML Class Diagram and a UBL >>>>>>> format spreadsheet model. These are attached. My objective was to >>>>>>> create structures that modelled the Dictionary Entry Names in the >>>>>>> specification. >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> I would be interested in other opinions on this strategy - >>>>>>> particularly Michael and the TBG17 group. >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> PS this exercise exposed a few typos (i suspect) in the >>>>>>> specification so few objects have slightly different names. >>>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> regards >>>>>>> tim mcgrath >>>>>>> phone: +618 93352228 >>>>>>> postal: po box 1289 fremantle western australia 6160 >>>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Message Archives: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/ >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe/Config: >>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/mailman/listinfo/ontolog-forum/ >>> Shared Files: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/ >>> Community Wiki: http://ontolog.cim3.net/wiki/ To Post: >>> mailto:ontolog-forum@ontolog.cim3.net >> > > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the roster > of the OASIS TC), go to > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ubl-lcsc/members/leave_workgroup.php. > > -- regards tim mcgrath phone: +618 93352228 postal: po box 1289 fremantle western australia 6160
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