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Subject: [ubl-lsc] LSC Meeting Minutes, 3/4 March 2003



The UBL Liaison Subcommittee met by phone on 3/4 March 2003.

Meeting Logistics:

    First meeting     16h00 GMT (8:00 am California time)
    Second meeting    00h00 GMT (4:00 pm California time)

    International: 646 441 1003
    U.S. domestic: 866 680 0148
    Participant code: 701188

Agenda:

    1. Roll call, approval of minutes
    2. New liaison:
           Michael Nguyen,
           Information Technology Standards Committee of Singapore
    3. Calendar review:
           http://oasis-open.org/committees/ubl/lsc/calendar.htm
    4. UN/CEFACT update
    5. NDRSC status report
    6. LCSC status report
    7. Release of supplementary package
    8. Review status


1. Roll call, approval of minutes

   Meeting participants:                            1st  2nd

       Jon Bosak (UBL Liaison SC chair)               Y  Y
       Anne Hendry (Scribe)                           Y  Y

       Liaisons

             Derek Coleman (RosettaNet)               -  -
             Mark Crawford (UN/CEFACT ATG and X12)    Y  -
             Bill French (EIDX)                       -  -
             John Hervey (NACS)                       -  -
             Doug Jones (RosettaNet BARD)             -  -
             Kris Ketels (SWIFT)                      -  -
             Thomas Lee (ebXML Asia)                  -  -
             Richard Mader (ARTS)                     -  -
             Charlie Mead (HL7)                       -  -
             Sue Probert (UN/CEFACT TBG)              Y  -
             Ray Seddigh (XBRL)                       -  -
             Robert Shanbaum (VCA)                    Y  -
             Leon Shiman (UIG)                        -  Y
             James Whittle (e.centre)                 -  -
             Nigel Wooden (ACORD)                     Y  -
                  
        Observers/Guests

             Tim McGrath (UBL LC SC Chair)            -  Y
             Garret Minakawa                          -  Y
             Lisa Seaburg (UBL NDR SC Co-Chair)       Y  -

    'Y' indicates attendance.  There is not a quorum present.

2. New liaison

      Michael Nguyen has joined the UBL Liaison SC, representing
      the Information Technology Standards Committee of Singapore.

3. Calendar

   Web Services One, Santa Clara, this week:
       Jon will be doing an hour slot tomorrow.

   ISO TC 154, San Diego, 7 March:
       Mark and Sue will be in attendance, and Mike possibly as well.

   VCA meeting, NYC, 20-23 March:
       Bob Shanbaum will be attending.  The meeting will very likely
       focus on UBL - would be a good place to hand out UBL brochures.
       Bob mentioned that there is a need for more info - guidance on
       how to approach the release.  Tim had suggested having specific
       meetings with reviewers to offer direct support.  Tim would be
       available to do this and so would Sue - perhaps others as well.

       There will be a general VCA meeting on 20 March, 13:30-16:00 EST.
       It was decided that Sue could attend a one-hour slot at 14:00 EST.
       The call number for today's meeting will be used, and Bob will set
       up speaker phone access.

   NIST, Maryland, May 6-7:
       This meeting has been moved to the end of May;
       Mark Crawford will attend.

   ACORD, Orlando, 18-20 May:
       Arofan is taking part in one of the panels;
       Nigel will print out latest copy of brochures and distribute.

   XBRL, Amsterdam, 19 - 22 May:
       Ray is scheduled to attend.

   Web Services / XML Expo, Toronto, 27-29 May:
       Sang Shin will talk about UBL and XML.

   X12, Nashville, June 1-6:
       Leon Shiman will attend.

   ACORD, Scottsdale, 22-25 June:
       Nigel may attend.  Dan Vint will be there.
 
   Extreme Markup, Montreal, 4-8 August:
       We should submit papers - first deadline is a month away.
       This would be an excellent opportunity to have Eduardo and/or
       Arofan speak, since the NDR work would be wrapping up.

4. UN/CEFACT update
   We are expecting further communication subsequent to their San Diego 
meeting.

5. NDR status

   Submissions are due in to Mark to today. NDR is preparing to release
   the next version of their work at at the London F2F.  Dan and Nigel
   are currently looking at the 0p70 release, hoping to have comments
   back next week.  Their review is concentrating on reusable components.

   Bob is getting started on this.

   X12 input will go through Mark.

   Sue commented that there are other meetings going on to align UBL
   with other industry efforts.  Jon suggested that we broaden future
   meeting discussions with liaisons to include information about
   current events in their industry related to UBL.

6. LCSC status

   Please note that the review closes in 6 weeks.
   Tim stated that the quality and content of comments so far is good.
   Anne is point of contact for liaison review feedback.

7. Supplementary package

   The supplementary package is now available.  It provides two full
   examples of trading scenarios as well as stylesheets to produce both
   printed and on-line versions of UBL documents.  There are both XSLT
   and XSL-FO stylesheets rendering both classic (vanilla) and
   UN Layout Key forms.

8. Review status

   We have had a few responses, such as from Dan Vint of ACORD.  His
   comments were very useful.  Reminders have gone out to most of the
   rest of the liaisons.  Most people are installing and trying it out.

   We have 6 weeks as of today left in the review period.  Anyone that
   needs additional information in order to proceed can contact this
   team to set up specific meetings to walk through the release with
   other industry members (e.g. at upcoming industry meetings).

9. Next meeting will take place on 7/8 April 2003.
   Tentatively scheduled future meetings are: 5/6 May 2003, 2/3 June 2003


Adjourn: 16:55 GMT

------------------------------ Second Meeting --------------------------


Meeting Logistics:

   Time: 00h00 GMT (4:00 pm California time)
   See above for call in numbers, roll call, and agenda.

Additional discussion:

3. Calendar

   Garret:
       Upcoming OAG quarterly meetings to be added to calendar:
           15 - 18 April, Washington, D.C.
           12 - 14 August, Detroit, Michigan
           28 - 30 October,  Redwood Shores, California

   Leon:
       The UIG meets at the X12 meeting in Nashville in June.
       Is anyone interested in participating in this session?
       Reviewing from last week's meeting, UIG has developed an
       extensive collection of transaction sets for managing
       deregulated energy, implementation guidelines, and
       preliminary XML documents.  It would be productive to
       review those and spend 1/2 - 1 day with someone deeply
       familiar with the UBL framework.

       This falls in line with Tim's proposal and willingness to have
       UBL SC members be available to walk through the review package.
       Tim add to tomorrow's LCSC agenda to see if someone can attend.

   Tim: 3d Annual OpenPublish meeting, organized by IDEAlliance.
       IDEAlliance manages PapiNet, so this would be of interest to UBL.
       The deadline for submissions is next week.  Tim will look into it.

   Next UBL Plenary will be 28 July - 1 Aug.
   The proposed (but not yet completely finalized) location is Montreal.

7. Supplementary package now available.

   In the supplementary material we answered the call for examples: there
   are now two representative trading scenario examples available in the
   supplementary materials.

   These come complete with diagrams and sample documents.  There is also
   a set of stylesheets for printed and on-line versions of UBL documents,
   XSLT and XSL-FO stylesheets to demonstrate document presentation in both
   classic (vanilla) and UN Layout Key forms. Also included is a Java JAR
   standalone implementation of the XSLT and XSL-FO stylesheets.  Jacek
   Ambroziak has applied UBL-HTML XSLT transforms, compiled into Java
   routines, to produce HTML from UBL according to these stylesheets.
   He has provided a screenshot, included in the download package,
   of UBL Despatch Advice running on a Zaurus PDA: this is not HTML
   being sent to the PDA, but being generated locally on the PDA,
   which creates interesting possibilities with document work flow,
   possible because of the document heritage built into UBL.

8. Adjourned: 00:55 GMT

Action Items
------------

   20030303-01: Jon add ongoing agenda item to discuss activities in liaison
                industries, not limit discussions to UBL release review.
   20030303-02: Tim add UIG meeting to tomorrow's LCSC agenda to get 
commitment
                on resource for walk-through during 1st week of June, M-W.
   20030303-03: Calendar (Anne):
                ping Eduardo/Arofan on Extreme Markup attendance;
                check on OpenPublish dates;
                let Dan know about brochure and walk-through for ACORD, 
Scottsdale;
                add UIG meeting;
                change RosettaNet meeting dates;
                other minor changes as noted
   20030303-04: Anne send follow-up reminder review email at end of week.
   20030303-05: Jon send mail on August Plenary location.




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