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Subject: [ubl-ndrsc] Minutes for 24 July 2002 UBL NDR SC meeting
24 July 2002 NDR SC Minutes 1. Roll call (quorum is 8) * Bill Burcham YES * Mavis Cournane YES * Mark Crawford regrets * Fabrice Desr AWOL * Matt Gertner regrets * Arofan Gregory awol x59: regrets y:00 * Jessica Glace regrets * Michael Grimley regrets * Eduardo Gutentag YES * Eve Maler YES (joined x58) * Sue Probert YES * Lisa Seaburg YES * Gunther Stuhec regrets * Paul Thorpe AWOL Quorom was not reached by x:20 so we proceeded informally. 2. Acceptance of minutes of previous meetings: 17 July 2002 http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-ndrsc/200207/msg00011.html 10 July 2002 http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-ndrsc/200207/msg00007.html Deferred 3. Adoption of agenda/schedule planning **Added report from other SCs **Added review of priorities for LCSC spreadsheet dependencies *** Added review of modnamver proposal for namespace identifier and schema location July 24: - Mark, Jessica, Sue, Michael Grimley send regrets - Topics: July 31: - Mark sends regrets - Topics: Review NDR document, ? ... September 18: - Topics: Approve documents for review distribution #3 September 25: - No meeting; work on other UBL tasks instead October 1-4: - F2F #5 in Burlington, MA, USA A NDR document improvements (review every two weeks) A+ Embedded documentation DONE EXCEPT FOR DOCUMENTING IT A Code lists IN PROGRESS A Dates and times IN PROGRESS A Nested supplementary components A Identifier references and whether to pass content by reference A- Local vs. global elements B+ Containership B Updating guiding principles B Modnamver URN/schema location B Referencing of content, e.g. for attachments C Facets C Wildcards/open content C Nillability C Aggregation of similar information for XPath V1.0 addressing 4. Action item review Mavis: - Review Gunther's script for new issues. IN PROGRESS - With Gunther, add *Type/*ContentType info to the NDR document. IN PROGRESS - Update the issues spreadsheet with Eve's comments. Eve: - Finish draft of code list document. IN PROGRESS - Approach Tim and Jon on SWAT team idea. DONE Gunther: - Write content referencing paper. IN PROGRESS - Review the date/time comments and recommend dispositions. IN PROGRESS Bill: - Update modnamver; discuss with Eve and Lisa. IN PROGRESS - Revise role model paper. CANCELED Arofan: - Get NDR document section written on embedded documentation. IN PROGRESS - Create a worked example of how to define nested supplementary components. 5. Other SC reports LC have a workplan going. The next distribution is planned for Aug 16th. The idea is to have the distribution ready a week in advance and this should be reviewed by an NDR person as per the Chairs Subcommittee recommendation. Bill Burcham will review it, with Eduardo as a possible alternate. The workplan on the portal. Lisa will help Gunther with his perl script. Mavis at the chair's request reported the following from the CSC meeting: A. We need to start ensuring that every output coming out of each of the two big groups has an assigned person on the other group who must review it. So, e.g., the LC methodology paper and 0pt65 distribution each need an NDR person to step up to the plate and offer to review them. B. We've been asked to check our prioritization with an eye towards finishing the items on which the LC spreadsheet depends soonest. Items that just affect the perl script without requiring changes/additions to spreadsheet columns can be decided a bit later. 6. Embedded documentation Deferred 7. Non-unique element naming in LCSC (Lisa) Lisa during a QA of the LC spreadsheet noticed that there were 21 IDs all with the same name and with different definitions. It was agreed that this was a basic problem of trying to maintain XML with a spreadsheet. To resolve it just get more context by perhaps adding a column. That should not be a motive to modify rules. Sue believes that we need to solve the details problem, and it needs further investigation. Lisa will take this up first during QA of the spreadsheet. 8. Review of priorities for LCSC spreadsheet dependencies A+ Embedded documentation DONE EXCEPT FOR DOCUMENTING IT It doesn't matter for structuring of columns so not a priority for LCSC spreadsheet. A Code lists IN PROGRESS This remains a priority for the LCSC spreadsheet A Dates and times IN PROGRESS We need to review possible changes that cropped up during the Core Components meeting week of July 17 2002. LCSC need to know what to put in columns so this remains an A priority. A Nested supplementary components This overlaps with code lists and remains an A priority. A Identifier references and whether to pass content by reference This does impact the LCSC model. We are considering dropping this to a B priority if possible. So long as your types have IDs you can punt on the issue with the only consequence being that documents would be bigger. There are a number of ways of dealing with these references, some that might negate the need for NDR to have rules. One possibility is that Gunther will invent an ad hoc way of doing this and NDR won't have to devise a rule for it. Another possibility put forward by Eve was the use of XINCLUDE. We will discuss this further with Gunther and see if it would weaken our first schema output if we did not deal with this issue for September. This needs to be put together with referencing of contents for attachments. If this is A priority that needs to be too. A- Local vs. global elements This is invisible to LCSC modelling process but we want to get review of our recommendations by LCSC. From the NDR point of view we want to get this settled soon for people who want to use our schema. B+ Containership - This should be raised to an A priority because it makes a big difference to the LCSC spreadsheet. Arofan will need to pick this up. B Updating guiding principles Leave this as it is. B Modnamver URN/schema location We have a working recommendation that we can put in to the NDR document. We are aware that this might have to change but for now we are happy. Mavis and Bill will work together to update the NDR document. B Referencing of content, e.g. for attachments See passing references using identifiers C Facets This needs a quick review by NDR for now and then put it out to LC for review. C Wildcards/open content Leave as is C Nillability This is about deciding the semantics of a missing or empty thing. It does affect the modelling. It has to do with data binding. We will suggest to Jessica that she might write a position paper. C Aggregation of similar information for XPath V1.0 addressing Leave as is. Paula, one of the OTA people has need for Code List schema 9.. Containership (Arofan) deferred 10. Review NDR document and discuss Gunther's questions deferred 10. Next week's meeting Will be at the same time and will last for 1.5hrs only. Eve has asked Mavis to chair in her absence. 10. Adjourn Y:30 -- Mavis Cournane +44 7816 904739 Cognitran Ltd
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