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Subject: Re: [ubl-lcsc] RE: Peanuts: Upper/lower case in UBL Object definitions.

I disagree with Mark on these issues...

Firstly, why have a NDR rule for case of definitions?  does it affect the syntax?  no.  Then it is not an NDR issue.  if we carry on like this we will have an NDR document like a phone book.  I thought we were trying to keep it simple.  We don't need a rule, just a convention and not an XML implementation convention either - it is a modeling one.

Secondly, the LCSC are the owners of the approved abbreviations for UBL  (http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-ndrsc/200305/msg00060.html)

20030514:  LCSC should be responsible for the Abbreviations and Acroynyms
Control List.
This was discussed and agreed at the London UBL Plenary in May 2003.

Since then we have added three new abbreviations...(see email of October 2003 - http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-ndrsc/200310/msg00043.html)

    GUID "Globally Unique Identifier"
    UNDG "United Nations Dangerous Goods"
    CV2 "Credit Card Verification Numbering System"

But they don't seem to get into Appendix B.  These abbreviations were debated and approved by LCSC.  Given those considerations, I cannot see what the Pocket Oxford Dictionary has to do with this.  Firstly, why the pocket edition? secondly, none of our current abbreviations are in there (except ID and this has synonyms - if we were to follow the rule of first occurrence listed, it means Idaho) and furthermore how does it help if they were in there anyway.

These two are both examples of an attempt to create NDR rules for business content.  Unnecessary and unworkable.

CRAWFORD, Mark wrote:
1. the UBL definitions start almost with lower case, but some (less than 10%) with an upper case. This is inconsistent. Where can I find the applicable rule in the NDR? And what shall I do in respect of UBL 1.0 Final? 
There is currently no rule.  I assume that by definitions you mean the narrative definition of the BIE.  My presumption would be that they should all start with an upper case.  Lisa and Mavis - your thoughts? 
2. The current schema draft of Stephen (and Beta as well) always shows 'GUID' which is derived from Globally Unique Identifier. But the list of approved abbreviations does not include this expression. That's why we did not implement it and EF50 produces GloballyUniqueID instead. Will this expression became part of the NDR list of approved abbreviations for UBL 1.0 Final? If not, what shall we do here? 
GUID must be approved by UBL before it can be used in the schema (GNR4). GUID must be carefully considered before approval (GNR5).  GUID must appear in the Pocket Oxford English Dictionary as the preferred abbreviation (GNR6) before it can be approved.  Based on the forgoing, GloballyUniqueID is correct.
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Stephen Green [mailto:stephen_green@seventhproject.co.uk]
Gesendet: Freitag, 6. Februar 2004 07:36
An: ubl-lcsc@lists.oasis-open.org
Cc: Chin Chee-Kai
Betreff: [ubl-lcsc] UBLish-generated (with edits) 1.0 draft 3 Schemas

As promised here are the Schemas, all valid, which I
have just generated using the UBLish tool - many
thanks to our friend Chin Chee-Kai (cc'd here).
These keep the rules about splitting reusable into
CommonAggregateType (cat:) and CommonBasicType
(cbt:). Please would someone point out any rules
they don't keep which they should.
All the best

tim mcgrath
phone: +618 93352228  
postal: po box 1289   fremantle    western australia 6160

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