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Subject: Re: [ubl-tsc] Re: clarification on your comment for UBL 2.0 review
thank you once again for your considered response.|
i agree with your argument and will suggest to the TC that we add the statement "The party consigning the goods as stipulated in the transport contract. A Buyer, Delivery, Seller, or Despatcher Party may also play the role of Consignor."
does that address your concerns?
Yukinori Saito wrote:
Dear Tim McGrath, Thank you for your question. I apologize for this delayed response. We (JPLSC) have discussed about your question and concerning background. 1. General schemes concerning transportation CIDX (Chemical Industry Data Exchange, Chemical industries' global standard body) is promoting Chem eStandards. In this Chem eStandards, there is the following scenarios regarding transportation. --- *Business Scenario 5 (Required to offer a shipment to a Carrier for transport) Buyer/Consignee directly tenders the order for transportation to an approved Carrier. This is typically done when the freight cost to transport the shipment is paid by the Buyer/Consignee. In this case the Buyer/Consignee acts as the Shipper. --- The scenarios, that is the buyer side goes to the supplier to get the ordering items, is a typical scenarios in the Chemical Industry. 2. Figure 19. Initiate Transport Services Process model (UML diagram) and related description In this diagram, the appearing players are, Consignor, Freight Forwarder, and Carrier. The next question will arisen. Who will be the consignor? The consignor may be buyer, delivery, seller, despatcher, or others. If the following sentences would be added in this initiate transportation scenarios 'Section 5.8 Initiate Transportation Services Collaboration', the specification will become more understandable. "The buyer, delivery, seller, or despatcher are able to have the role of consignor." 3. Explanation regarding party roles about transportation (1) Section 5.2.1 Party Roles There is the following descriptions. "The actual role undertaken is dependant on the context of use. For example, the Despatch Party and Delivery Party as applied to the Procurement process may differ in the Transportation process. In other words, whether the Consignor in transportation process is actually equal to the Despatch Party or Seller in procurement depends on different business cases." Despatch Party is a seller side parties. There is no information about buyer side regarding transportation process. (2) Definition of Consignor The definition of Consignor is "The party where goods are to be collected from." We think that this means the party is seller side. (3) Summary We (JPLSC) think that the seller side party will usually have the role of consignor in the current UBL V2.0 specification. There is no information like 'buyer have the role as consignor' in the current UBL V2.0 specification. We think that the descriptions of above (1) and (2) had better to be changed to have suitable understandings. Our idea is the sentences like followings would be added, the reader would have better understandings. "The buyer, delivery, seller, or despatcher are able to have the role of consignor." (4) Others I think that the definition of Consignor "The party where goods are to be collected from." is difficult to understand. The following definition would be better, if I have suitable understanding. "The party sending a consignment goods as stipulated in the transport contract. Or the party who owns a consignment goods." Best Regards, Yukinori Saito ------------------------------------------- Yukinori Saito Fuji Electric Information Service Co., Ltd. (FIS) e-mail: email@example.com Tel: +81-3-5435-7333 Fax: +81-3-5435-7513 ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim McGrath" <firstname.lastname@example.org> To: "Yukinori Saito" <email@example.com> Cc: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 12:47 AM Subject: clarification on your comment for UBL 2.0 review Saito-san We are almost done with reviewing the comments from the UBL 2.0 public review. We would like some clarification on your comment:- There are some use cases descriptions regarding Transportation business process in the section 5.8 "Initiate Transport Service Collaboration" in UBL V2.0 (index.html). - We think that there is a business process that the buyer goes to the supplier to get the ordering Items. This kind of business process is popular in the world. Is this kind of business process in the scope of the Transportation business process or not?Do you mean that we should describe a process where the Buyer Party organizes the transportation? How do you see the document flows in this case?
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