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Subject: Re: [ubl-tsc] Re: clarification on your comment for UBL 2.0 review

Dear Tim McGrath,
I think that your adding statement is OK.
The followings are my comments regarding the place of your adding statement in the UBL V2.0 specification (index.html).
(1) The table in the section 5.2.1 Party Roles
I think that the definition in the description column of Consignor would be changed to your proposed statement.
(2) Section 5.8 Initiate Transport Services Collaboration
There are some statements (6 lines) regarding transportation business process in the Section 5.8 Initiate Transport Services Collaboration.
I think that some guide statement (like your proposed statements) would be better to add.
We (JPLSC) will hold the F2F meeting on May 24, 2006.
We will discuss about this issue.
If the other comments will be arisen, I will inform you the comments.
Best Regards,
Yukinori Saito
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [ubl-tsc] Re: clarification on your comment for UBL 2.0 review

thank you once again for your considered response.

i agree with your argument and will suggest to the TC that we  add the statement "The party consigning the goods as stipulated in the transport contract. A Buyer, Delivery, Seller, or Despatcher Party may also play the role of Consignor."

does that address your concerns?

Yukinori Saito wrote:
Dear Tim McGrath,
Thank you for your question.
I apologize for this delayed response.
We (JPLSC) have discussed about your question and concerning background.

1. General schemes concerning transportation
CIDX (Chemical Industry Data Exchange, Chemical industries' global standard
body) is promoting Chem eStandards.
In this Chem eStandards, there is the following scenarios regarding
*Business Scenario 5 (Required to offer a shipment to a Carrier for
Buyer/Consignee directly tenders the order for transportation to an approved
This is typically done when the freight cost to transport the shipment is
paid by the Buyer/Consignee. In this case the Buyer/Consignee acts as the
The scenarios, that is the buyer side goes to the supplier to get the
ordering items, is a typical scenarios in the Chemical Industry.

2. Figure 19. Initiate Transport Services Process model (UML diagram) and
related description
In this diagram, the appearing players are, Consignor, Freight Forwarder,
and Carrier.
The next question will arisen. Who will be the consignor?
The consignor may be buyer, delivery, seller, despatcher, or others.
If the following sentences would be added in this initiate transportation
scenarios 'Section 5.8 Initiate Transportation Services Collaboration', the
specification will become more understandable.
"The buyer, delivery, seller, or despatcher are able to have the role of

3. Explanation regarding party roles about transportation
(1) Section 5.2.1 Party Roles
There is the following descriptions.
"The actual role undertaken is dependant on the context of use. For example,
Despatch Party and Delivery Party as applied to the Procurement process may
differ in the Transportation process. In other words, whether the Consignor
in transportation process is actually equal to the Despatch Party or Seller
in procurement depends on different business cases."
Despatch Party is a seller side parties. There is no
information about buyer side regarding transportation process.

(2) Definition of Consignor
The definition of Consignor is "The party where goods are to be collected
from." We think that this means the party is seller side.

(3) Summary
We (JPLSC) think that the seller side party will usually have the role of
consignor in the current UBL V2.0 specification.
There is no information like 'buyer have the role as consignor' in the
current UBL V2.0 specification.
We think that the descriptions of above (1) and (2) had better to be changed
to have suitable understandings.
Our idea is the sentences like followings would be added, the reader would
have better understandings.
"The buyer, delivery, seller, or despatcher are able to have the role of

(4) Others
I think that the definition of Consignor "The party where goods are to be
collected from." is difficult to understand.
The following definition would be better, if I have suitable understanding.
"The party sending a consignment goods as stipulated in the transport
contract. Or the party who owns a consignment goods."

Best Regards,
Yukinori Saito
Yukinori Saito
Fuji Electric Information Service Co., Ltd. (FIS)
e-mail: saito-yukinori@fujielectric.co.jp
Tel: +81-3-5435-7333     Fax: +81-3-5435-7513

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim McGrath" <tmcgrath@portcomm.com.au>
To: "Yukinori Saito" <saito-yukinori@fujielectric.co.jp>
Cc: <ubl-tsc@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 12:47 AM
Subject: clarification on your comment for UBL 2.0 review


We are almost done with reviewing the comments from the UBL 2.0 public

We would like some clarification on your comment:

- There are some use cases descriptions regarding Transportation
business process in the section 5.8 "Initiate Transport Service
Collaboration" in UBL V2.0 (index.html). - We think that there is a
business process that the buyer goes to the supplier to get the
ordering Items. This kind of business process is popular in the world.
Is this kind of business process in the scope of the Transportation
business process or not?

Do you mean that we should describe a process where the Buyer Party
organizes the transportation?  How do you see the document flows in this


tim mcgrath
phone: +618 93352228  
postal: po box 1289   fremantle    western australia 6160
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