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Subject: Contained Package was... [Fwd: Re: VS: VS: [ubl-dev] Help appreciated]


sorry, should have copied the list with this thread

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Subject: Re: VS: VS: [ubl-dev] Help appreciated
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 09:20:20 +0800
From: Tim McGrath <tmcgrath@portcomm.com.au>
To: Juha Ikävalko <juha.ikavalko@tieke.fi>
CC: UBL-Dev <ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org>
References: <2C366A22C93CEB48A9FE469ED73023E0919E17@tieke3.tieke.main>


well spotted, i think you are corrected, the occurrence should be 0..n

i suspect a typo somewhere and will endeavour to get it fixed as an 
editorial change to the 2.0 draft.

Juha Ikävalko wrote:

>Thanks Tim, 
>
> 
>
>I have a quick additional question to your first answer. I see that you have put two ContainedPackage - elements inside Package element. 
>
>I thought, at first, that the package hierarchy should be described in this order (Outer package is a Package and inner packages are ContainedPackages) but then I noticed that Package can contain only one ContainedPackage by definition! As there can be more than one inner package I have to turn the hierarchy other way around and assume that ContainedPackage is the outer package where this package is the inner package contained in it. Thus, Is this occurrence constraint 0..1 a bug or is the assumption correct?
>
> 
>
>Juha
>
> 
>
>________________________________
>
>Lähettäjä: Tim McGrath [mailto:tmcgrath@portcomm.com.au] 
>Lähetetty: 30. kesäkuuta 2006 14:57
>Vastaanottaja: Juha Ikävalko
>Kopio: UBL-Dev
>Aihe: Re: VS: [ubl-dev] Help appreciated
>
> 
>
>
>
>Juha Ikävalko wrote:
>
>
>
>Thank you Tim!
> 
>I got two additional questions related to a waybill and especially to a transport handling unit:
> 
>Question 1:
>I need to describe the hierarchy of packages. I assume I can use Package/ContainedPackege to inform that a certain package (Package) is contained in another package (ContainedPackage). In case of the most outer package, I also need to describe in which transport equipment this package is contained. For example, in which pallet a certain package is contained in. I don't know how to describe this with a structure of UBL Waybill? Extension needed? There is also a need to describe a hierarchy of transport equipments. Extension needed?
>  
>
>i see this as the Transport Handling Unit being at the top of the package hierarchy.  so the Transport Equipment for the THU is the one that contains the outer package (and by definition all others).
>
>something like this...
><TransportHandlingUnit>
>    <Transport Equipment>
>    </Transport Equipment>
>    <Package>
>        <ContainedPackage>
>        </ContainedPackage>
>        <ContainedPackage>
>        </ContainedPackage>
>    </Package>
>    <Package>
>        <ContainedPackage>
>        </ContainedPackage>
>    </Package>
></TransportHandlingUnit>
>
>does that makes sense?
>
>
>
> 
>Question 2:
>If there is a need to use tarpaulin, rope or chain in a transport handling unit, how should I describe these? In EDIFACT equipment contained attached equipment which was used for this purpose. Should I use TransportEquipment for these too in UBL?
> 
>  
>
>yes i would use TransportEquipment and the type of equipment would be described in the Information element.  it may be useful to add the requirement for the TRED 8053 Equipment type code qualifier code list to TransportEquipment in future.  what is your opinion?
>
>
>
>
>Best Regards,
> 
>Juha Ikävalko
>TIEKE Tietoyhteiskunnan kehittämiskeskus ry 
>TIEKE Finnish Information Society Development Centre 
>Salomonkatu 17 A, 10th floor FI-00100 Helsinki 
>Tel +358 9 4763 0410 Fax +358 9 4763 0399 
>juha.ikavalko@tieke.fi http://www.tieke.fi
> 
>-----Alkuperäinen viesti-----
>Lähettäjä: Tim McGrath [mailto:tmcgrath@portcomm.com.au] 
>Lähetetty: 30. kesäkuuta 2006 3:51
>Vastaanottaja: Juha Ikävalko
>Kopio: UBL-Dev
>Aihe: Re: [ubl-dev] Help appreciated
> 
> 
> 
>Juha Ikävalko wrote:
> 
>  
>
>	Hello developers,
>	 
>	Could someone help me on the following problems?
>	 
>	Waybill:
>	I need to state the net weight of a hazardous item contained in a transport handling unit. This need was covered in EDIFACT (GID/DGS/MEA) but I don't find an element for this in UBL Waybill. For example, if I have a box of bullets, I have to state how much gunpowder (hazardous item) these bullets contain. Is someone able to solve this problem or do I need a custom extension?
>	 
>	 
>	 
>	    
>
>It does look like what is missing is a weight, volume and quantity from 
>HazardousItem.  Too late to make it into UBL 2.0 so my suggestion would 
>be the create these as customized extensions but we should also add them 
>to the list for the next release.  It is clearly a requirement for when 
>an Item is either not all hazardous or contains several different 
>hazardous components.
> 
>  
>
>	Order:
>	Could someone describe the role of an OriginatorCustomerParty? For example, if a grocery orders from a wholesaler who orders from a manufacturer, is the grocery the OriginatorCustomerParty for the wholesaler-to-manufacturer transaction?
>	 
>	 
>	 
>	    
>
>i'll leave the final answer on this to the procurement subcommittee but 
>my feeling is 'no'.  at least not in a simple relationship you 
>describe.  however, if the wholesaler was placing orders with the 
>manufacturer specifically on behalf of the grocery then the grocery 
>would be the OriginatorCustomerParty.  one of the key factors in this is 
>whether the manufacturer needs to know about the grocery.
> 
>  
>
>	Best Regards, 
>	 
>	Juha Ikävalko
>	TIEKE Tietoyhteiskunnan kehittämiskeskus ry 
>	TIEKE Finnish Information Society Development Centre 
>	Salomonkatu 17 A, 10th floor FI-00100 Helsinki 
>	Tel +358 9 4763 0410 Fax +358 9 4763 0399 
>	juha.ikavalko@tieke.fi http://www.tieke.fi
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-- 
regards
tim mcgrath
phone: +618 93352228  
postal: po box 1289   fremantle    western australia 6160
web: http://www.portcomm.com.au/tmcgrath



-- 
regards
tim mcgrath
phone: +618 93352228  
postal: po box 1289   fremantle    western australia 6160
web: http://www.portcomm.com.au/tmcgrath


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