Re: [ubl-tsc] Groups - Mapping BIEs to CCL08B - Consignment/Shipment (UBL-CommonLibrary-2.0TransportAlignment_Tim_March18.xls) uploaded

[Tim McGrath <tim.mcgrath@documentengineeringservices.com>]

1. it is because is started from the original UBL 2.0 spreadsheets (and 
not the 2.0 Errata with the updated definition).  thanks for picking 
this up. 

2. i did base my mapping on the later definition and I can see your 
point but i think CCL08B has taken a more generic approach to trade and 
called these things Trade Transactions.  The information pertaining to 
Shipment is one example of a Trade Transaction (and its associated Trade 
Delivery and Trade Agreements).  It is a case of different views of the 
same thing.  I am sure you appreciate the irony of this as we took the 
term Shipment from UN/CEFACT in the first place and now it has been 
dropped.  But if we now propose a Shipment ABIE then it would overlap 
with information in the Trade structures.  It is similar to other 
differences like Item and Product or how UBL uses Air Tranport and CCL 
just has Transport Mode Code.  All we can do is a closest semantic map.  
it may be that what I have is too far away but i suggest we wait until 
we process all the mappings and determine a common approach for these 
type of things.

3. I agree about Transport Event - but i confess to being confused about 
whether this would then be an ABIE not an ACC.  It is an Event in the 
context of transportation.  There is an consistency in CCL08B about how 
they do this - sometimes the ASCC is 'qualified' with a property term 
and sometimes it is left to the ABIE to do this.  So maybe we just 
propose it  and see how TBG17 decide it should be done.

Andrew Schoka wrote:
> Tim,
> I would like to offer some comments related to transport definitions and the
> mappings you propose.
>
> 1. Firstly, I note that the definition of "Consignment" in your spreadsheet
> states: 
>
> "A separately identifiable collection of goods items (available to be)
> transported from one consignor to one consignee via one or more modes of
> transport."
>
> And the definition of "Shipment" in your spreadsheet states:
> "Information about a shipment."
>
> About a year ago when we were discussing definitions and I believe we came
> to a consensus regarding a definition for shipment:
>
> .          SHIPMENT
>
> The arrangements necessary for an identifiable collection of one or more
> goods items to be transported between the original consignor and the
> ultimate consignee. This information represents what is required, that is a
> "logical" or contractual view. A shipment can be transported in different
> consignments (eg split for logistical purposes). 
>
> As documented in that email, "Jon will then use this definition wherever the
> definition of shipment is used." I guess this may have fallen through the
> crack, but is now most important as we look for alignment with UNCEFACT.
>
> 2. Given those definitions: I ask, to which of the following, if any, should
> UBL "Shipment" (as defined by the Action Item) be nominally aligned? 
>
> Trade Transactions (as you've proposed) defined in CCL08B as: 
> A group of trade line items, trade agreement, trade delivery and trade
> settlement details.
>
> Trade Settlement defined in CCL08B as:
> The information that enables the reconciliation of a financial transaction
> with the item(s) that the financial transaction is intended to settle, for
> example a commercial invoice.
>
> Trade Delivery defined in CCL08B as:
> The shipping arrangements and movement of products and or services including
> despatch and delivery.
>
> While some of the BBIEs connect indirectly to Trade Delivery, is that the
> best way to align? The prominent perspective of trade delivery seems to be
> "arrangements" just like in the definition of shipment, so shouldn't te
>
> Given the distinction that the UBL TC has made between Consignment and
> Shipment, might it be better to propose a whole new ACC called Shipment with
> its unique set of attributes?
>
> 3. Regarding the alignment of Transport Event to Event, it seems likely that
> Completion Indicator and Current Status may be acceptable to add to Event,
> adding Trade Transaction as an association may not be acceptable to TBG17 in
> which case, maybe we should propose a separate object called Transport Event
> with the ABIEs UBL needs?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tim.mcgrath@documentengineeringservices.com
> [mailto:tim.mcgrath@documentengineeringservices.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 2:14 AM
> To: ubl-tsc@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: [ubl-tsc] Groups - Mapping BIEs to CCL08B - Consignment/Shipment
> (UBL-CommonLibrary-2.0TransportAlignment_Tim_March18.xls) uploaded
>
> Here is my proposal for the mappings of my section.
>
>  -- Tim McGrath
>
> The document named Mapping BIEs to CCL08B - Consignment/Shipment
> (UBL-CommonLibrary-2.0TransportAlignment_Tim_March18.xls) has been
> submitted by Tim McGrath to the UBL Transportation SC document repository.
>
> Document Description:
>
>
> View Document Details:
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=31727
>
> Download Document:  
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> Subject:
> [ubl-tsc] TSC Action Item FollowUp
> From:
> "Andrew Schoka" <AMSchoka@comcast.net>
> Date:
> Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:37:03 -0400
> To:
> <ubl-tsc@lists.oasis-open.org>, <roberto@javest.com>, 
> <hvmaaren@CETIMA.NL>, <dvankemmel@wanadoo.fr>, 
> <heikki.laaksamo@tieke.fi>, <fmh@progrator.dk>, <ihu@ds.dk>, 
> <KVP@itst.dk>, <Michael.Onder@dot.gov>, <ralph.ho@tradelink.com.hk>, 
> "'Connie Hing, Phaik See'" <ConnieHing@crimsonlogic.com>, "'Kama, 
> Kamarudin Bin Tambi'" <kama@crimsonlogic.com>
>
> To:
> <ubl-tsc@lists.oasis-open.org>, <roberto@javest.com>, 
> <hvmaaren@CETIMA.NL>, <dvankemmel@wanadoo.fr>, 
> <heikki.laaksamo@tieke.fi>, <fmh@progrator.dk>, <ihu@ds.dk>, 
> <KVP@itst.dk>, <Michael.Onder@dot.gov>, <ralph.ho@tradelink.com.hk>, 
> "'Connie Hing, Phaik See'" <ConnieHing@crimsonlogic.com>, "'Kama, 
> Kamarudin Bin Tambi'" <kama@crimsonlogic.com>
> CC:
> <jon.bosak@sun.com>, "'Tim McGrath'" <tmcgrath@portcomm.com.au>
>
>
> Dear TSC members,
>
>  
>
> During our last telecon we ran out of time to discuss an action that 
> we had been given from the TC. The action item from the TC is as follows:
>
>  
>
> UPDATE PACKAGE: JPLSC COMMENTS
>
>    ACTION (12/18): AS to get answer from TSC regarding JPLSC
>
>    comment 25.
>
>  
>
> JPLSC comment 25 to the 2.0 update package is as follows:
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *Category*
>
> 	
>
> *Business Document or ABIE*
>
> 	
>
> *BIE*
>
> 	
>
> *Questions, Comments*
>
> *Transportation*
>
> 	
>
> *BillOfLading*
>
> *Waybill*
>
> 	
>
> *Shipment (ASBIE)*
>
> 	
>
> *The definitions of Shipment (ASBIE) in BillOfLading and Waybill are 
> differrent each other,*
>
> *We think that these definitions should be same.*
>
> *Definition (BillOfLading): Information about the separately 
> identifiable collection of goods items (available to be) transported 
> from one consignor to one consignee via one or more modes of transport.*
>
> *Definition (Waybill): A separately identifiable collection of goods 
> items (available to be) transported from one consignor to one 
> consignee via one or more modes of transport.*
>
>  
>
>  
>
> I think it is appropriate that there be consistency across the various 
> documents when the same ASBIEs are identified and their definitions 
> used. With regard to the definition of Shipment, I believe that we 
> have previously had an email exchange and a telecon discussion 
> regarding an appropriate definition. Based upon a contribution by Tim 
> McGrath and subsequent discussions, I propose that we adopt the 
> definition we last discussed presented in a grammatically correct form.
>
>  
>
> •          *SHIPMENT*
>
> The arrangements necessary for an identifiable collection of one or 
> more goods items to be transported between the original consignor and 
> the ultimate consignee. This information represents what is required, 
> that is a “logical” or contractual view. A shipment can be transported 
> in different consignments (eg split for logistical purposes).**
>
>  
>
> I propose that this be the resolution of the action item. If I don’t 
> receive a response within 7 days, I will presume concurrence. Jon will 
> then use this definition wherever the definition of shipment is used.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Regards,
>
> Andy Schoka
>
> Acting Chair TSC
>
>  
>
>
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