RE: [ubl-tsc] Question about consignments and shipments

["Andrew M Schoka" <AMSchoka@comcast.net>]

Jon,
I am just now catching up on the email exchanges after recovering from power
outages and oppressive heat (still).

 I am definitely in support of your suggestion about capturing this
discussion about shipments and consignments in the hub document. I believe a
separate subsection somewhere near the front of the document may be best
since both procurement and transport use the term "shipment" if not also
"consignment".
Tim's charts along with the comments by Roberto seem to have sufficient
substance to make amplify "shipment" "consignment" and their
interrelationship. This rests predominantly on "context." In this case the
contexts are "consignor/consignee" when relating to goods/consignment, and
"supplier/buyer, or ?) when relating to "shipment".
 I think the graphics are useful enough to include in the hubdoc as well
though they need a bit of explanation.

Perhaps we can discuss this at the next TC call?
Andy



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Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 8:33 AM
To: roberto@javest.com
Cc: Tim McGrath; ubl-tsc@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [ubl-tsc] Question about consignments and shipments

Very helpful, Roberto.  Thanks!

Jon

Roberto Cisternino wrote:
> The "Shipment", when facilitated by an international freight 
> forwarder, represents the whole end-to-end organization of the goods 
> transport on behalf of the Shipper.
> 
> A Shipment possibly involves one or more Carriers and related 
> transport contracts (one or more consignments in a single shipment).
> 
> The consolidated shipment is a transport optimization organized by the 
> freight forwarder to ensure a given container is fully loaded (FCL - 
> Full Container Load). This is to save money but also to provide a more 
> competitive tariff.
> 
> In a single container the freight forwarder can consolidate several 
> consignments of different Shippers (AKA: grouppage) until the 
> container is full.
> 
> So we have these cases:
> a) 1 Shipment - 1 Consignment
> b) 1 Shipment - many Consignments (many carriers) of the same Shipper
> c) 1 Shipment - many Consignment of different Shippers 
> (grouppage/consolidated shipment)
> d) Splitted shipment (huge shipment) even using different vessels (so 
> pratically different consignments)
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Ciao
> Roberto
> 
>> The slides help a lot -- thanks.  Perhaps we can put some version of 
>> this in the hubdoc?
>>
>> I'm still wondering about "consolidated shipment" (Consignment.
>> Consolidated_ Shipment. Shipment). Is this one of the shipments shown 
>> in slide 5, or is this something else that combines a set of shipment 
>> pieces into a synthetic shipment for some legal purpose?
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> Tim McGrath wrote:
>>> here is my slides describing the 'split' and 'consolidation' options 
>>> for shipments and consignments.  we struggled a long time on these 
>>> definitions and actually got them approved by experts so we have to 
>>> be careful changing them.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/07/12 5:03 AM, Jon Bosak wrote:
>>>> Hello TSC,
>>>>
>>>> I'm in the process of reviewing the definitions in the common 
>>>> library and am now considering the ABIE "Consignment" (Consignment.
Details).
>>>> I
>>>> note that a consignment (row 284) can contain multiple shipments 
>>>> (under the name "Consignment. Consolidated_ Shipment. Shipment", 
>>>> row 344), but I also note that every shipment (row 1672) can 
>>>> contain multiple consignments (under the name Shipment. 
>>>> Consignment, row 1694). This has something to do with the notion of 
>>>> consolidation, but I can't figure out what.
>>>>
>>>> Are consignments collections of shipments, or are shipments 
>>>> collections of consignments?  And what does this have to do with
consolidation?
>>>>
>>>> Jon
>>>>
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