[ubl] Fwd: [ubl-ndrsc] Minutes for 5 December 2001 UBL NDR meeting

["Eve L. Maler" <eve.maler@sun.com>]

We're making good meta-progress on our overall document outline (which 
translates into our marching orders, sort of), but will attempt to make 
"real" progress on the two highest-priority position papers in the next two 
weeks.

>Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 13:21:08 -0500
>From: "Eve L. Maler" <eve.maler@sun.com>
>Subject: [ubl-ndrsc] Minutes for 5 December 2001 UBL NDR meeting
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>NDR SC portal: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ubl/ndrsc/
>
>PLEASE NOTE: The group agreed that we WILL meet during the following two 
>weeks, starting one hour later than our normal time and meeting for only 
>an hour each time.  We will focus on tag structures on December 12 and 
>extension methodology on December 19.  Everyone PLEASE use email to send 
>your comments and the results of your action items -- we need your brain cells!
>
>1. Roll call (quorum is 9)
>
>    Bill Burcham       YES (x:10)
>    Doug Bunting       YES (x:25)
>    Dave Carlson       YES
>    Mavis Cournane     YES (y:00)
>    Mark Crawford      YES
>    John Dumay
>    Matt Gertner       YES
>    Jack Gager
>    Arofan Gregory     YES (x:10)
>    Eduardo Gutentag   YES (x:16; gave us quorum)
>    Eve Maler          YES
>    Dale McKay         YES
>    Sue Probert
>    Marion Royal
>    Gunther Stuhec     YES
>    Mike Rawlins       YES (x:45)
>    Maryann Richards   yes (non-voting)
>    Bob Glushko        yes (non-voting)
>
>    Quorum not achieved as of x:06.  We proceeded informally until x:16.
>
>2. Acceptance of minutes of previous meeting:
>    28 November 2001 meeting:
>    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-ndrsc/200111/msg00110.html
>    Accepted.
>
>3. Adoption of agenda
>    Adopted as is.
>
>4. Action item review
>
>    ACTION: Eve to write a section for the NDR document documenting the
>    choice of schema language, and a position paper for the archives.
>    Continued.
>
>    ACTION: Arofan to create a new use case for instance constraint
>    checking.
>    Continued.
>
>    ACTION: Mark to revise the NDR document to reflect editorial
>    directions by next meeting, if possible.
>    DONE.
>
>    ACTION: Arofan/Sue/Lisa to provide the xCBL naming guidelines (and
>    all the other xCBL guidelines!).
>    Continued.
>
>    ACTION: Mark to update naming position paper with our suggestions
>    (including email suggestions).
>    Has a dependency on Arofan providing examples and UDEF information.
>    Continued.
>
>    ACTION: Mark to take a look at the original XML 1.0 design principles
>    to see if it's useful to add any of them to our document.
>    DONE (was put in the NDR document as a placeholder).
>
>    ACTION: Arofan to send a pointer to the draft ebtWG specification that
>    has a process diagram that will be helpful for figuring out use case
>    actors.
>    DONE.  The version that's on the NDR portal, is slightly out of date
>    but its narrative about actors will still be useful.
> 
>http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ubl/ndrsc/input/Core-Components-Technical-Specification-Ver-1PT6.doc
>
>    ACTION: Sue and Maryann to do some use case brainstorming offline.
>    Continued.
>
>    ACTION: Dale and Sue to work up tag structure examples and examine
>    them in light of the two "PatientParty" circumstances listed in
>    the November 28 minutes.  Other interested parties are Mark, Arofan,
>    Eduardo.  Due by December 5.
>    Continued.
>
>    ACTION: Mark to check with Mike on what the purpose of Section 5.4 is,
>    and follow up with editorial changes as necessary.
>    Continued.
>
>    ACTION: Mark to insert into the NDR document links to the existing
>    position papers, with notes about their being extremely non-settled
>    and non-normative.
>    Continued.
>
>New action items appear below as well.
>
>5. Current position paper champions, status, and priorities
>
>    Mark:
>    - Markup naming (A-priority)
>    - Design principles
>    - Relationship between UBL and UN/CEFACT constructs
>
>    Eve:
>    - Choice of schema language (A-priority)
>
>    Doug:
>    - TPA
>
>    Arofan:
>    - Customization (A-priority)
>
>    Bill:
>    - Modularization/namespaces/versioning
>
>    Gunther:
>    - Elements vs. attributes
>    - NEW: Document size and performance considerations (Section 6.1)
>
>    Dave:
>    - Use cases (with Maryann) (A-priority)
>    - Local vs. global elements
>
>    Mike:
>    - Code (enumerated) lists
>
>6. XML 2001 messages to give Jon
>    We agreed to pass along the following messages:
>
>    - Review the charter for our SC and provide NDR portal URL
>      discuss relationship among the "technical" subcommittees in
>      particular
>      . Names of the technical SCs
>      . Charter text for the technical SCs
>      . URL for NDR portal
>
>    - Review our use cases (if we feel they're developed enough by then)
>      . Working methodology is to develop rules in response to use cases
>      . These distinguish UBL project from other XSD-using projects
>      . Quick list of use cases we're working on
>
>    - Give an idea of the breadth we're trying to cover in NDR
>      . Markup naming
>      . Modularity, namespaces, versioning
>      . Customization (additive/subtractive)
>      . Enumerated lists
>      . Elements vs. attributes
>      . Local vs. global elements
>      . Tip of the iceberg -- just the highest priority -- see draft outline
>
>    - Structured customization methodology
>      . Context = business situation
>      . Need context-dependent changes in business document structure
>      . Give an example (add GPS field to address in automotive sector)
>      . We will provide a machine-readable means for specifying these changes
>
>    - Talk about the validator support issue and our software test list
>      . Chose XSD for development, but have concerns (keep looking at
>        RELAX NG out of the corner of our eye)
>      . First and foremost -- no interoperability between validators!
>      . Concerns about restriction support
>      . Concerns about namespace support
>
>    ACTION: Eve to send final notes to Jon and the SC by Thursday.
>
>7. Finish going through the NDR document outline and assign more champions
>
>    Mark and Eve took notes on all changes agreed to by the SC.
>
>    ACTION: Everyone to review the NDR document and send all comments to
>    Mark by Friday COB.
>
>    ACTION: Mark to turn around a new draft by early next week.
>
>    NEW TERM:
>    Assembly: Using parts of the library of reusable UBL components to
>    create a new kind of business document type.
>
>8. Legal issues (following on to Arofan's posting)
>9. Use case review (Maryann Richards)
>10. Tag structure position
>11. Customization position
>     All deferred.
>
>12. Next steps
>
>     Meeting schedule: we will meet during the next two weeks, at noon-1pm
>     ET instead of 11am-1pm ET.
>     - December 12: Tag structure
>     - December 19: Extension
>
>13. Adjourn
>     Adjourned at z:08.

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Sun Microsystems XML Technology Center   eve.maler @ sun.com