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Subject: Corrected minutes of Pacific UBL TC call 29 July 2004
Correction to minutes from last week's meeting: Bill Meadows was in attendance as well. MINUTES OF PACIFIC UBL TC MEETING 00H30 - 02H30 UTC THURSDAY 29 JULY 2004 ================================================================== ATTENDANCE ================================================================== Jon Bosak Thomas Lee Tim McGrath Bill Meadows Yukinori Saito Shin Takagi Sylvia Webb Patrick Yee ================================================================== STANDING ITEMS ================================================================== {Standing_Agenda:6} Calendar review TM: Clarification: the eAC meeting in Seoul is 27-29 October. {Standing_Agenda:7} Event reports TM: Continuing last week's report from Bangkok - An interesting aspect of the APEC symposium was the presence of delegates from Chile and Peru. - Tim met with a group of about 25-30 people representing the Thai government and private sector to brief them on UBL and the LSCs. Somnuk has put out expressions of interest to the relevant organizations. - Tim talked further with Jean Kubler of UNECE regarding the relationship between UBL, CEFACT, and UNeDocs. Jean emphasized the desirability of harmonizing UBL with UNeDocs and the UNTDED on its way to UN/CEFACT, the Certificate of Origin and the Sanitary/Phytosanitary Certificate being given as examples that relate to the APEC initiative. A revision of UNTDED is currently in progress. JB: We should make UNTDED alignment an objective of 1.1. ================================================================== ATLANTIC REVIEW ================================================================== We spent the meeting reviewing results from the Atlantic call regarding the issues list. a.4 (Atlantic conclusion was: Need Mike and others to comment on this... Get Tim's input in Pacific call) TM: It seems to be agreed that attribute naming prior to 1.0 is incorrect. The attribute in the example should simply be code... According to NDR ATN1, we never use the object class, only the property term and representation term. The problem is that we then sometimes end up with two attributes on the same element having the same name, so the rule is unenforceable. This was raised three months ago, and we said that the only way to resolve it is to include the object class in order to guarantee a unique attribute name. This does disagree with ATN1, but not with the general naming principle that we always use only the property term and representation term when that does give us a unique name. This was my argument to ATG2 as well. Before 1.0, we solved this by making up a name to create one that was unique. I am proposing to make this more formal and reliable by using object class; all we need to do is add a clause to ATN1 that says "except where the property term and representation term are not unique, and then we use object class as well." This is in the submission to ATG2. JB: Why is there still disagreement on this? TM: Not sure that Gunther has read the material. He is not proposing a different solution, just the rule and examples of where our practice differs from the rule. We should change the rule. We should be in agreement with ATG2 on this -- these names appear in the CC schemas -- but we haven't gotten clarification. JB: It would seem that ATG2 should either accept our proposal or just define unique names and say that's what they are. We agree that JB will post this summary and then follow up in the Atlantic call 4 August. a.5 Agree with finding of Atlantic call. a.8 We think that the difference here is exactly the difference between local and global, and that revisiting this would be revisiting the local/global debate. Done. e.1 Agree with Atlantic. f.1 Agree with Atlantic. g.1 Agree with Atlantic. h.1 Agree with Atlantic. h.2 Agree with Atlantic. The cardinality was originally 1..n, but then cases like the one Sylvia raised were brought to our attention, so we changed the cardinality to 0..n but forgot to change the definition. So agree that this should be changed in both spreadsheet and schemas. There might be other instances where cardinality doesn't align with the definition; this is a Q/A exercise. h.3 Agree with Atlantic. h.4 Agree with Atlantic. "Department" comes from the OASIS CIQ TC. h.5 Agree with Atlantic. We note that providing examples is a big work item, but we hope to have have real examples to draw on by 1.1. ================================================================== PRIORITY ITEMS FOR THIS MEETING ================================================================== Our main priority was to review the discussion of the 1.0 issues covered in the Atlantic call; see above. We also had scheduled for this call a status check on the following action items: TM: Prepare a discussion paper for a meeting with Crimson Logic in Singapore 20040718 or 0719 KT: Align with 1.0 CD and have revised version of COML ready for consideration in Copenhagen KT: Send scanned images of typical CO paper documents. It would be good to get a status report on these items. TM: Did meet with Crimson Logic [CL]. Prepared a discussion paper, made the CL spreadsheets into something like the 1.0 ss, and found that aside from the root of the new document type, needed only 5-6 new ABIEs, the most significant being Consignment, because this has not earlier been needed in our basic procurement scenario. Adding these new pieces moves UBL into the area of transport. Spent three hours with the CL development team in Singapore, explaining how the ss work and how the CCTS rules work. The team sees that Tim's interpretation is still not complete, so they will put further work into the ss to completely reflect their requirements. The plan is to bring the submission back to the whole TC for discussion once the CL team has had another pass at it. Formerly Singapore Network Services, CL has been doing EDI software for many years. It used to be owned by the government of Singapore and now is jointly owned by the government of Singapore and the national telecom provider. CL has actually developed three different document models for Certificates of Origin (one for a portal, one for UNeDocs, and one for UBL), so we need to make clear which one we're talking about. The CL team is aiming to have the revised submission ready for review in Copenhagen. TM will follow up on the paper versions of the CO documents and notes that the CL technical people brought up the need for digital signatures again. [This is on the work list for UBL 1.1.] ================================================================== WORK LIST ADDITIONS ================================================================== None from this call. ================================================================== OTHER BUSINESS ================================================================== TM will be available for the Pacific call 5 August. YS will not, but will ask Noboruh Itoh to send a JPLSC report. TL and PY will not be able to attend next week, but will remind William Chan to send a report. It was noted that the Japanese translation was announced on the ubl-dev and ebxml-dev lists as previously agreed.
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