[Date Prev] | [Thread Prev] | [Thread Next] | [Date Next] -- [Date Index] | [Thread Index] | [List Home]
Subject: Minutes of the UBL TC meeting in Copenhagen 16-20 August 2004
MINUTES OF THE UBL TC MEETING IN COPENHAGEN 16-20 AUGUST 2004 REGISTERED PARTICIPANTS All of these participants attended all of the plenary sessions Monday through Friday except as noted. The TC was not quorate and operated under our standing rules as a committee of the whole. This means that all of the decisions noted below must be approved by the TC. If no objections are received by COB 3 September 2004, these decisions will be taken as accepted by the TC. If any voting member has an objection to any of these decisions, please signify by posting that objection to the TC list UNDER A NEW SUBJECT HEADING INDICATING THE ISSUE TO BE RESOLVED so that the discussion can be properly tracked. Please do not reply under the subject heading of this message. Anne Hendry Jon Bosak (chair) Mikkel Hippe Brun [1] Mavis Cournane [2] Mark Crawford (vice chair) Michael Dill Stephen Green Mike Grimley Eduardo Gutentag Tami Kamarudin [7] Dongsoo Kim [3] Sun Hyuk Kim Sunho Kim [2] Stig Korsgaard David Kruppke Monica Martin [8] Tim McGrath [5] Sue Probert Marion Royal Yukinori Saito Shin Takagi [4] Paul Thorpe Sylvia Webb [6] Catherine Williams [2] [1] Absent Tuesday [2] Absent Friday [3] Absent Wednesday through Friday [4] Absent Monday [5] By phone Tuesday through Friday [6] By phone Wednesday [7] By phone Tuesday [8] By phone one day (did not record which) PLENARY SESSION MONDAY 16 AUGUST The TC heard reports from the JPLSC and the KRLSC; these will be uploaded to the TC document repository. The chair shared the results of a recent authoritative proprietary survey of North American IT executives showing that 30 percent of the 300 large and medium-sized companies surveyed had already implemented some form of UBL and that 16 percent of the companies surveyed intended to begin using UBL within the next 12 months. Since at the time of the survey (April 2004) UBL 1.0 CD had not even been released yet, and since there are as yet no known sources of technical support for UBL, the survey results support the theory that UBL is a viral technology like HTML. It was also noted that the U.S. Department of the Navy has recently announced its intention to use UBL, providing further evidence that we have been correct in assuming that UBL would prove attractive to government agencies as well as corporations in the private sector. The chair therefore intends to de-emphasize his UBL marketing activities to focus instead on moving UBL 1.0 through the OASIS standardization process and establishing working relationships with relevant standards bodies for the development of UBL 1.1. It was noted that the namespace URN proposal previously advanced in email had received no negative comments from voting members of the TC and could therefore be considered as adopted. Following the plenary session, the TC broke into separate work groups that continued throughout the week to work on CD2 packaging, NDR document completion, and localization review. PLENARY SESSION TUESDAY 17 AUGUST In this session, the TC discussed our document targets and other objectives for the future. Outcomes: - We note the importance of aligning both with UN/CEFACT TBG groups and also with the UNTDED. - It is our general intention to create XML versions of the data models provided by UNeDocs and the APEC initiative. - We agree that new BIEs should be the ones provided by these other initiatives. - We recognize the need to review the universal information model being developed by UNeDocs and to perform a gap analysis against the UBL data models. - We approve the current 1.1 items on the work list as objectives for 1.1 and intend to begin working on them as soon as we are finished with 1.0 CD2. Specifically, we note that dealing with party types will help align with UNTDED; that the Certificate of Origin submission is a good example of an extension of UBL that is TDED-compliant and aligned with UNeDocs; and that adding Certificate of Origin to the document set will serve as a proof of concept and a model for how this kind of work can proceed in the future. - With regard to added functionalities such as digital signatures, we will prioritize these on a case-by-case basis rather than attempting to establish some general rule. With regard to digital signatures, we note that the actual requirement is "authentication." During lunch we heard presentations from OSCRE regarding its extension methodology and from Toshiba regarding its WS-based implementation of UBL. These presentations will be uploaded to the document repository when the chair returns from vacation the week of 6 September. The discussion of customization and context methodology previously scheduled for the afternoon was omitted to make time for work on CD2 and the NDR document. An evening reception for the UBL TC and the Danish eBusiness Working Group was hosted by Jørgen Abild Andersen, Director-General of the Danish National IT and Telecom Agency. Mr. Andersen's remarks on this occasion were reported in mail to the TC 18 August. PLENARY SESSION WEDNESDAY 18 AUGUST The Wednesday morning session was devoted to the discussion of a proposal from GEFEG to use EDIFIX as the repository of the UBL 1.1 data model and to generate both normative schemas and documentary spreadsheets from this data model. Mavis Cournane was tasked with producing a clear description of the proposal, and a team consisting of Sue Probert and Anne Hendry was tasked with the production of a workflow that could be employed under this proposal. With regard to the idea that we might develop a process of "preliminary acceptance" to allow implementors to begin the deployment of certain additions to UBL before the release of a new package, it was decided that requesters who care that deeply about new features should join the TC process. With regard to UBL ebXML registration, we note that we appear to be missing a few pieces needed for full registration, and also that the RIM spec for this is not completely done yet. After lunch, we discussed the review of ATG NDRs, including CCT and Unqualified Datatype modules. The review period for comments back to ATG (via Jean Kubler, UN/CEFACT secretariat) closes 10 September, the week before the next UN/CEFACT meeting. Regarding most aspects of the ATG NDRs, comments (if any) should by sent by individuals, but the differences between the CC modules proposed by ATG and the ones used in UBL 1.0 are great enough that we should develop a position on this as a group. If the ATG versions of the CC modules are adopted as they stand now, problems with backwards compatibility (for example, possible differences in the allowed values for some attributes) will not allow us to adopt them until our next major release (2.0). This problem was noted when the ATG results were reported to the TC. See the report from the Thursday plenary below for more about this. With regard to the question raised on ubl-dev about mime types for UBL, it was determined that this is a messaging issue and therefore belongs to a different layer of the stack. As before, the afternoon was spent working on CD2 and the NDR document. Wednesday evening the TC enjoyed a spectacular dinner at the Tivoli Gardens courtesy of our host, Stig Korsgaard. The TC honored its chair with the gift of an 1824 translation of Don Quixote, which he is now reading with very great pleasure. PLENARY SESSION THURSDAY 19 AUGUST The Thursday plenary discussed relationships between UBL and other efforts. Brief outcomes: - UN/CEFACT: We still want to set up liaison relationships with relevant UN/CEFACT WGs, and we want to make sure that we do nothing going forward that would prevent our eventual move into CEFACT. We hope that the attendance of several UBL members at the UN/CEFACT Forum meeting in September will help to establish a closer working relationship with TBG groups. - ATG2 and CC schemas: Will be a main agenda item for the TC calls 1 and 2 September. Tim McGrath will draft a response to ATG in time for discussion in these meetings. - TBG17 and the UBL library: TBG17 has received submissions for over 1000 data items, including the ones from UBL. The group is nearing the end of the discovery phase and intends to sign off on a group of 21 core components at the CEFACT Forum meeting in September. UNTDED alignment is being handled through ongoing meetings with ISO TC 154. After some discussion, it was decided that the UBL TC should modify its submission to TBG17 in a way that better aligns with the CCs and produces recommendations for the future work of TBG17. We will propose that the TC appoint a TBG17 Liaison Team led by Marion Royal and including Sue Probert, Tim McGrath, and additional volunteers from the former LCSC to align the UBL submission with the draft CCs and to propose additional candidate CCs where none yet exist that correspond to the UBL data elements. The team will also examine other submissions to TBG17 with an eye toward further preharmonization. The team will meet by phone once a week at 8 a.m. Washington time (8 p.m.in Perth), the first meeting to take place 31 August. - UK Office of Government Commerce (OGC) and IDA eProcurement schemas: Discussions will begin in September regarding the formation of a team to work on these inputs. - UNeDocs, ISO TC154, and UNTDED: A mapping of UBL to UNTDED is considered to be highly desirable if resources can be found to do it. However, it is not clear where such resources will come from. - TBG15 and COML: Sue Probert will discuss a liaison relationship with Gordon Cragge, chair of TBG15. - RosettaNet, EIDX/CompTIA, and RosettaNet/UBL mapping: Michael Dill reports that all of EDIFICE in Europe is changing from EDIFACT to RosettaNet, and in the process has found a lack of semantic interoperability between the two standards and is now looking at CC to provide a more generic approach. The chair is instructed to give up on his efforts over the last year to find a group willing to perform a formal mapping between UBL and RosettaNet. - OAG: A CC group is being reinvigorated to aid in the transition of OAGIS to a CC-based approach. Several TBG17 members have been invited and will participate in this work, including Mark Crawford and Stig Korsgaard. Michael Dill reports that OAGIS version 9 will use the CC types. - eAC: Tim notes that the ebXML Asia Committee submitted input to TBG17 and requests that the TBG17 Liaison Team look at this work. - Translations: Saito-san presented the current status of the translation work. The JPLSC and KRLSC have completed translations of the data definitions, and that work is now in review. The ESLSC has reported translation of the spreadsheets into Spanish, but it is not clear whether this includes the creation of localized business terms. We believe that the CNLSC is still in the process of revising the translation it created based on UBL 1.0 Beta. - Call schedule: The TC schedule for the next several weeks was reported in mail to the TC 20 August. After the traditional wine-and-cheese party at the close of the Thursday session, the SOD met and received a report from Mike Grimley concerning the recent travels of our mascot, Don. Unfortunately, Don himself could not attend, having become lost in transit, but he turned up Friday evening and was last seen heading to California in an attempt to arrive in time for the UBL TC meeting in November. PLENARY SESSION FRIDAY 20 AUGUST The following items were discussed and resolved as noted: - EDIFIX proposal details: We will follow up on this in email. Anne Hendry will review with Michael Dill and post a clear description of the proposal to the list. [Note: this was originally assigned to Mavis; see note above under Wednesday. Mavis and Anne need to sort out this apparent mixup.] This issue will be put on the agenda for the TC meetings to be held 8 and 9 September. This will also be the beginning of a discussion about (a) versioning and source control and (b) the idea of a canonical format for our data models. - Localization status and review schedule: See minutes for Thursday. The change log itself is included in the issues list (last column at the end); Stephen Green will perform a diff and follow up by posting a change list for the spreadsheet definitions to the list by the end of next week. Saito-san will then make appropriate changes to the Japanese translation by the end of the week following. Jon Bosak will send a list of changes to index.html when he gets back from vacation. - NDR document status: Work will continue after the end of this plenary session, by the end of which we expect to have done all of the examples and resolution of most of the remaining issues, after which the MS will be transferred back to Mark Crawford with a copy to the TC list. Mark will change a graphic, circulate the draft within LMI for a week, and then put out to the list Friday next week for UBL review. - CD2 packaging status: Jon Bosak will include everything today except the /fs directory, post the package to the list, let sit during sanity checks till week after next, then send the final build out for ballot. - UBL 1.0 schedule: Here is what the schedule for OASIS standardization of UBL 1.0 looks like if everything goes perfectly over the next month: 2004.09.08 CD balloting begins and final paperwork is readied for submission to OASIS 2004.09.15 Balloting ends and the CD is submitted for standardization (we believe that the changes made between CD1 and CD2 are not substantial enough to require yet another review cycle; the namespace URN change is a technical correction to conform to RFC 3121) 2004.10.01 UBL 1.0 is sent to the OASIS membership 2004.10.16 OASIS balloting opens 2004.10.31 OASIS balloting closes 2004.11.01 UBL 1.0 is publicly announced - 2005 TC meeting schedule: We recommed that the TC follow the lead of some other standards bodies by going to three face-to-face meetings a year. Here is the schedule we would like to see adopted for 2005: April/May: Seoul, Korea, or Fremantle, Australia. We request that proposals to host this meeting be submitted by 1 October 2004. July/August: Ottawa or Montreal, Canada. November/December: San Francisco. - Membership review: We need to clean up our membership list to move inactive members to Observer status. Jon Bosak to send a message to the list informing inactive members that they must indicate their desire to remain voting members or be subject to a change to Observer status. Our interpretation of the OASIS TC membership rules indicates that every prospective member who has attended at least two consecutive TC meetings should be made a voting member. We thank our hosts, the Danish Bankers Association, for their warm hospitality, their excellent meeting facilities, and their fabulous food. Respectfully submitted, Jon Bosak Chair, OASIS UBL TC
[Date Prev] | [Thread Prev] | [Thread Next] | [Date Next] -- [Date Index] | [Thread Index] | [List Home]