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Subject: Minutes of Pacific UBL TC call 16|17 May 2005
MINUTES OF PACIFIC UBL TC MEETING 00H30 - 02H30 UTC TUESDAY 17 MAY 2005 ATTENDANCE Jon Bosak (chair) Micah Dubinko Stephen Green Tim McGrath Sylvia Webb STANDING ITEMS Additions to the calendar (http://ibiblio.org/bosak/ubl/calendar.htm) Note 19 May meeting in Copenhagen (mail from MikkelB). Liaison report: Tax XML TC SylviaW: Direct Tax SC lost their chair, which has slowed down their input. The TC has come up with a list of about 20 additional elements, but has decided not to submit new doc types because they would just duplicate the ones already submitted by IDA and OGC. They plan instead to review and evaluate the work of our TC and comment. They will get together the list of additions for us next week. Liaison report: eBSC SylviaW: The meeting at NIST in Gaithersburg was pretty well attended -- 30-35 people with representatives from all major business standards bodies. ANSI presented a portal they are developing that will list all business standards under development; this will be available free to the public. They have received commitments from a number of organizations, including OASIS. There were also presentations from AIAG and OAG talking about the challenges of standards implementation. Minutes should be out in the next few weeks. There were no UBL-related developments. No new meeting was scheduled. Subcommittee report: HISC MicahD: Getting ready for XTECH in Amsterdam, KenH too. Will be getting feedback from implementors there. Regarding the forms input spec, we know of an XForms implementation and an HTML implementation. Subcommittee report: SBSC StephenG: Just posted another package today. KenH should be changing the generator to produce URIs tomorrow. There will be an SBSC meeting tomorrow. Question: are we at the CD stage yet? (JonB: we will be when the TC has approved it.) The URIs are being assigned as if it were a CD. (JonB: That's right.) The SSC didn't meet last week. Team report: IDA/OGC TimM: Not sure whether this exists any more now that all the consultants have reached the end of their contracts. I see the team being replaced by the group that DK is trying to establish at the 19 May meeting, which will consider forming a European LSC. The IDA/OGC team has achieved its purpose and can be retired. Team report: COML TimM: CrimsonLogic got feedback in Hangzhou. The digital signature issue sparked interest from CN and DK reps; they will discuss with CL whether the CL model satisfies everyone's requirements. China has offered to contribute their doctypes; this is potentially a future direction for the COML team, because the HK group has been involved in the Digital Trade and Transport Network (DTTN), which covers about 60 doctypes related to shipping. The CN group is prepared to work with UBL similar to CL to build their requirements into UBL documents and have already based their document models on the UBL 1.0 libraries. So we could extend the existing COML team to be a "Paperless Trade Document" team along the lines suggested by APEC. Whether this should be considered for UBL 2.0 will depend on resources. New Eurasia TC call TimM: This was proposed in the minutes of the Hangzhou plenary. We're expecting a lot of content input from the Northern European economies as well as NDR input from Asia. A third weekly call would fill a logical hole in our TC call schedule (the one that doesn't work for U.S. participants). The probable time would be 0800 UTC, which is 16h00 in Hong Kong. JonB: Acknowledge the need for this, but see risk in coordinating with the other calls; the only reason the current split schedule works is because JonB and a few others provide a bridge. TimM's offer to chair is a big help, but we will need at least one person from the NDR team to commit to the calls. ACTION: We will discuss the proposed Eurasia TC call in the next Atlantic TC call. CONTENT WORK The discussion, led by TimM, reviewed items reported on in the Hangzhou plenary. Highlights: - DK will revamp the issues list format before turning it back to BettyH. - We aim to have all the new stuff added by the end of May, so getting Tax XML input next week should work out fine. - We will have to think about the role of parties in context; for example, 9-10 different kinds of party have been identified by COML. CN and DK are working on a white paper explaining how UBL can better model Party without breaking backward compatibility with 1.0. - We will also need to add more buyer-to-buyer info (references for the buyer's internal system). - There are also proposals to add information for partial payments and a generic document reference. - Japanese "InspectionDate" as our familiar example of a local data element requirement is not accurate; it should be "InspectionCode" -- change the slides! - We're getting feedback from both Europe and Asia that our customization guidelines don't work for them; they need to have a methodology for the models themselves, not simply for the schemas. DK is working up a proposal for how to accomplish this. - Both JP and DK are prepared to assist in the HISC analysis of input and output forms, both for the existing doc set and the extended one. JP is eager to get involved in interface design. - The IDD needs an additional column for default display labels. This need is not met by the existing "Business terms" column, because it's not populated for English, and in the other languages it contains a description rather than a label. In particular, local users need to relate elements to cells in paper documents. To do this, there should be a label for every BIE in the library, and the English label should be the label in the UN Layout Key. This is more complicated than it sounds, because some boxes are occupied by the data in multiple BIEs, and some BIEs are spread out over several boxes. All of the LSCs are willing to populate a new label column, but we need expert help in associating the labels with the UN Layout Key. - We need a good change management system for translations. In particular, we need to assign a version number to each BIE. - The Reusables are continuing to grow with things that are actually specific to a given context. It is proposed that we distinguish "common" BIEs (that is, used by more than one doc type) from "core" BIEs (that is, used by many doc types) from BIEs that are used in only one doc type. JP is working up a proposal for this. Some of us are skeptical that this distinction can be made cleanly. Some believe that such a change will make it easier to align with CEFACT CC. Clearly, any change in this direction will mean a change to the NDRs. In 2-3 weeks We will have a set of 1.0 spreadsheets that have been divided up per the proposal in order to demonstrate the idea. To minimize disruption to HISC and UBL 1.0 implementations, it may be best to keep all the current Reusables where they are (as "core"). Next week we will analyze the outcome of the European discussion and look at the update to the issues list. Jon Bosak Chair, OASIS UBL TC
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