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Subject: Minutes of Atlantic UBL TC call 1 June 2005
MINUTES OF ATLANTIC UBL TC MEETING
15H00 - 17H00 UTC WEDNESDAY 1 JUNE 2005
ATTENDANCE
Peter Borresen
Jon Bosak (chair)
Marty Burns
Mavis Cournane
Stephen Green
Anne Hendry
Paul Thorpe
Sylvia Webb
STANDING ITEMS
Additions to the calendar (http://ibiblio.org/bosak/ubl/calendar.htm)
None.
Liaison report: Tax XML TC
SylviaW: Have just sent the list of additional elements
requested by the Tax XML TC for UBL 2.0:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/200506/msg00002.html
The TC members are going back to their organizations to
determine whether they want to specify additional docs
beyond 2.0 and if not, whether they want to participate in
the development of docs submitted by others to ensure that
any with tax info meet the requirements and best practices
of the countries represented in the Tax XML TC. They also
discussed how they might participate in UNeDocs; no
decisions on either subject were made this meeting.
Subcommittee report: SSC
AnneH: No meeting last week due to a scheduling mixup; there
will be one this week.
Subcommittee report: SBSC
StephenG: KenH has produced a package, will do another soon;
StephenG needs to do some edits, then should be finished.
Question: We're not currently including the schema location
in the instances because we don't see a need to validate
them; the instances here are metadata, not messages, and the
schema is just provided for completeness. Any reason this
would cause problems?
AGREED that this is not a big deal. Anyone seriously
interested in applying the schemas can just put in their
location.
Team report: Code Lists
MartyB: Still waiting for input in response to issue summary
sent by MartyB and TonyC 25 April.
ACTION ITEMS DUE NEXT WEEK
ACTION: MikkelB to check to see whether PeterB can fill the
position of UBL liaison to TBG17 and report back on this 8
June.
ADMINISTRIVIA: NDR EDITING
AGREED that MavisC and MikeG will join MarkC as editors of the
NDR document, with MarkC to be designated Lead Editor. All
three editors will have access to the live document. NDR
policy decisions will be made in NDR work sessions during TC
meetings; the editing itself will be done by the editors
meeting in ad hoc sessions arranged to suit their individual
schedules. Two or more editors will be required at each
editing session. The editable version of the doc will always
be available to the editors, but will be checked out only for
the editing sessions and returned along with a freshly
generated PDF copy for general consumption immediately
thereafter.
REVIEW OF EUROPE/ASIA TC CALL
AGREED that Sue Probert will be the UBL liaison to ASEAL (not
"AFEAL" as recorded in the minutes of the Europe/Asia call].
See
http://www.sitpro.org.uk/news/articles/snse200504c.html
http://www.unece.org/cefact/cf_plenary/plenary05/cf_05_29e.pdf
http://www.asemec-london.org/presentations/paperless/Paperless_d1_4.pdf
AGREED that it's OK to continue the exploratory meetings with
DTTN.
AnneH: Input to ATG2 [#6 in the Europe/Asia minutes]?
JonB: MarkC is our liaison to ATG.
ACTION: Mavis to send input to MarkC.
NDR WORK SESSION
JonB: The NDR editors should tell us how to proceed from here.
MavisC: At the TC meeting in McLean we resolved all the NDR
issues outstanding at that time and implemented the changes in
the NDR document. MikeG kept a tally of the changes, and KenS
was given responsibility for capturing errata. At that point,
we had a stable working draft. Since then we've added the
following issues: local/global (global ID and Code); the
architecture of Reusable; possible future changes resulting
from UN/UBL alignment. We can probably still complete the NDR
work by the end of June, which is when DavidK goes on vacation.
MartyB: Remember Code Lists.
MavisC: We need to understand the possible NDR impact of the
Code List proposal.
StephenG: Remember the minor versioning strategy.
JonB: We didn't promise this for 2.0, just that we would put in
place the change needed to make the definition of a minor
versioning strategy possible.
MartyB: Are substitution groups OK?
JonB: That's what we're putting off right now. Resolution of
this issue will affect our adoption of a code list strategy,
but we can't have that discussion till MarkC gets back from
vacation.
SylviaW: But then there are other vacations (DavidK et al.) in
July.
AGREED that MikeG and MavisC will review the current Code List
proposal, assess the impact of the proposal on the NDRs, distil
out the strands that need input from MarkC, and suggest
resolution of the remaining issues for TC approval as input to
DavidK.
AGREED that by the end of June we will resolve and implement
all of the NDR changes not relating to code lists and will
resolve all the noncontroversial code list issues, so that the
only things remaining will be the issues needing MarkC's input.
AGREED that MavisC will review the xml-dev thread regarding
redefine as an alternative to substitution groups and then
contact Henry Thompson for clarification (MartyB could not get
Henry's suggestion to work).
AGREED that MavisC will begin the next phase of NDR work by
posting the latest NDR doc and outstanding issues for our
information and comments. [From today's discussion it appears
that the major NDR issues are: (1) changing all elements to
global, (2) rearchitecting Reusable, (3) versioning, (4) code
lists.]
AGREED that some of the NDR work will take place during the
Europe/Asia TC call as well as the Atlantic TC call and that
MavisC will provide weekly notices of which subjects will be
discussed during each meeting so that members can know in
advance when items of interest will be on the agenda of each TC
call.
AnneH: Digital signatures?
MavisC: In Hangzhou, it was agreed that ThomasL will discuss
this with CrimsonLogic at the upcoming ebXML Asia Committee
meeting in Hong Kong.
AnneH: Customization?
AGREED that we will pick up the discussion of customization
methodology in the times currently reserved for NDR work
sessions following resolution of the NDR issues.
OTHER BUSINESS
ACTION: JonB to send a reminder about leaves of absence.
ACTION: JonB to generate a detailed timeline for UBL 2.0.
StephenG: Proposal under discussion in OASIS to make URLs for
OASIS specs case-insensitive.
JonB: We hope that this ill-considered proposal will be opened
for general discussion before it becomes policy.
Jon
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