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Subject: Minutes of Pacific UBL TC call 20|21 2005
MINUTES OF PACIFIC UBL TC MEETING 00H30 - 02H30 UTC TUESDAY 21 JUNE 2005 ATTENDANCE Jon Bosak (chair) Micah Dubinko John Glaubitz (Tax XML TC) Stephen Green Ken Holman Tim McGrath Sylvia Webb STANDING ITEMS Additions to the calendar (http://ibiblio.org/bosak/ubl/calendar.htm) TimM: Take the question mark off the July 1 event; it's set, and MikkelB will be there. KenH: Only three people have registered for the August TC meeting in Ottawa. JonB: This is typical, but it makes planning difficult. People intending to go to the meeting should let us know. Liaison report: Tax XML TC SylviaW: Due to a kavi mixup, the Tax XML TC did not meet last week as originally planned. JohnG: There will be a full TC meeting on 6/30, and we will put the UBL invitation to work collaboratively on the tax components of UBL 2.0 documents on the agenda. We're also considering how best to work with UNeDocs. Subcommittee report: HISC KenH: We've enumerated our 2.0 tasks for the schedule but have not determined dates yet; we will discuss this in our meeting tomorrow. What is the meaning of "phase 1 content" and "phase 2 content"? JonB: From the message containing the revised schedule: - The basic organizing principle on which this schedule is based is the division of the content deliverables into two phases. Phase one includes the original UBL 1.0 order-to-invoice documents plus the three (or so) new pre-order documents and the three (or so) new post-invoice documents needed to satisfy European e-procurement and taxation requirements. The specific document types to be added in phase one to implement what we've been calling the "extended process model" are expected to be agreed on by the end of the coming week. Phase two adds trade documents developed with the help of our members in Hong Kong and catalog documents developed with the help of our members in Denmark. These additions are considered highly desirable for UBL 2.0 but will be included in the UBL 2.0 release only if we can do so without slipping the delivery schedule. TimM: Note that the "extended process model" should really be called the "extended procurement process model." KenH: We should add a phase 0 in which we use the existing UBL 1.0 models to set up our new geometry-based specification (or grid position methodology) for mapping to UNLK cells. AGREED that we will front-load the HISC work by using UBL 1.0 as preliminary "phase 0" input, understanding that some 1.0 content may change in 2.0 (with the delivery of phase 1) but believing that these tweaks will be relatively minor and consist largely or entirely of extensions to the 1.0 model. StephenG: Maybe we could do the same with the SBS for 2.0. Subcommittee report: SBSC StephenG: Waiting on the TC now. We have received a comment from Bryan Rasmussen asking for real content in example instances. ACTION: TimM to discuss the request for example instances with Saito-san in the Eurasia call. Team report: E-procurement (was European input) TimM: The group is on the line to deliver the extended procurement model this week. Will be calling in to the F2F in London later today to check on this. The final process will add 3-4 pre-order documents and 4-5 post-invoice documents to the UBL 1.0 set. Plan is to publish the extended model to the UBL list following a meeting on Friday. The group is also creating a white paper on the modeling of parties; there is general agreement that we need a formal mechanism for representing the roles that parties play in a process. This is also on the agenda to finalize this week. Team report: Transportation (aka transport) TimM: DTTN (Hong Kong) and Crimsonlogic (Singapore) have established a meeting schedule, and we've held our first three-way meeting. The task is to consolidate the Certificate of Origin with the massive DTTN model donated to UBL 2.0 and come up with a business process model for trade and transport that parallels the extended procurement model. The added documents for UBL 2.0 will be the CO plus Bill of Lading, Waybill, and Forwarding Instruction. The model will be based on the work already done to incorporate CO, which was developed as part of an APEC Ecommerce Interoperability Project and will be used in a pilot project between Taipei and Singapore. The group is aiming to have this work done within the UBL 2.0 schedule posted last week. TimM: It's been made clear to both the eprocurement and transportation teams that we will continue to rely on them to provide expert resources for UBL 2.0, including assistance for HISC. JonB: And we will similarly be relying on the participation of the Tax XML TC to get the tax-related data right. Review of Eurasia and Atlantic TC minutes No comments. ACTION ITEM REVIEW ACTION: JonB to schedule a discussion of CCTS compliance that will include MarkC and MichaelD. Status: This is waiting MarkC's return from vacation. The question (which arose out of email) is: in what way is 1.0 not CCTS compliant, and how can we ensure that 2.0 is compliant? Issues include ACCs and CC types. Discussion about CCTS schemas (which is a different issue). We think we decided earlier that we would use the ATG2 versions; this will require changes to our NDRs. StephenG/TimM: Resolution needs to come before we decide about code lists and substitution groups. AGREED to modify row 4 of the draft 2.0 schedule for July to put ATG2 data type schemas at 7/11, substitution groups at 7/18, and code list structure plus consideration of ATG2 code list schemas at 7/25, with corresponding revisions to row 8. AGREED that we will use these three weeks (7/11-7/25) to explore the issues and aim for final resolution at the meeting in Ottawa, which will need to conclude with an approved list of schema programming changes, with editorial NDR work to follow the meeting. It is understood that this is a very tight and tricky part of the schedule. AGREED that in order to expose NDR issues and front load the schedule, the current set of programming changes should be done using the ATG2 CCTS schema modules. ACTION: TimM to contact BettyH to arrange a return of the issues list to her care as soon as it has reached a stage where this is possible. Status: The issues list is not stable enough yet. ACTION: TimM to update PeterB on this preference for inclusion in the party white paper. [AGREED that it is better to model these roles as parties rather than addresses or contacts.] Status: Done. PeterB has just produced a new version of the paper that hasn't been reviewed yet. ACTION: SylviaW to communicate this sentiment to the Indirect Taxation SC meeting this week. [AGREED that we wish to involve experts from the Tax XML in helping with the design and describing how the general structures in UBL 2.0 can be applied to specific application scenarios.] Status: Done; will be discussed next week in the Tax XML TC. UBL 2.0 SCHEDULING AGREED that the work on customization in row 8 of the schedule for October should be moved to its own row; this discussion needs to include both NDR and the teams working on content. CONTENT WORK SylviaW has updated the content issues list with Tax XML requirements and sent it to the list. TimM: (explains our suggested approach to taxation requirements; see previous TC minutes) JohnG: Implementation guides sound like a good way to approach this. Tax XML TC will be discussing this next week to determine how we can help. ACTION: TimM and SylviaW to create a one-page briefing for input to next week's Tax XML TC meeting. NEXT THREE WEEKS The tax-related content work breaks down into three categories: 1. Parties 2. Tax structure, including rates and amounts 3. Line reporting We have the next three weeks to resolve this set of issues and define the new content model. We will take one of these categories each week, as follows: 27|28 June in the Pacific TC call 6 July in the Eurasia work session 11|12 July in the Pacific TC call PeterB owns the issues list for the moment; when that comes back, we need to add another item dealing with payment terms as reported by Oriol Bausa on the list last week. We think we may already have discussed the inclusion of payment terms and payment means after the release of 1.0 in November. ACTION: SylviaW to find out where we stand with payment terms and payment means, TimM to respond to Oriol.
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