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Subject: Comments to the discussion about JPLSC comments in UBL TC call
Dear Jon Bosak, Thank you very much for the discussion about JPLSC comments in UBL TC call. (1) Summary of the discussion about JPLSC comments in UBL TC call. I have made the attached document 'UBL TC review to JPLSC comments of UBL 2.0'. I have inserted the UBL TC call discussion in the spreadsheet of JPLSC comments for our conveniences. (2) Comment to the UBL TC call discussion UBL TC comment: Item 2. A quick check of Order and Order Response shows these ASBIEs in green, so we're not seeing the problem referred to. We will need specific examples. YS: I understood what you said. I have checked the original spreadsheet of IDD template. I cannot find any problem that I have pointed in JPLSC comments. However, in JPLSC's spreadsheet, there is problem that the color of the last two ASBIEs is not ASBIE color (green). I don't know why. Maybe we have made this problem in JPLSC's spreadsheet. Please withdraw Item 2 of JPLSC comments. Best Regards, Yukinori Saito ------------------------------------------- Yukinori Saito Fuji Electric Information Service Co., Ltd. (FIS) e-mail: saito-yukinori@fujielectric.co.jp Tel: +81-3-5435-7333 Fax: +81-3-5435-7513 ------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: <jon.bosak@sun.com> To: <ubl@lists.oasis-open.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 7:07 AM Subject: [ubl] Minutes of Pacific UBL TC call 19|20 November 2007 MINUTES OF PACIFIC UBL TC MEETING TUESDAY 20 NOVEMBER 2007 ATTENDANCE Jon Bosak (chair) G. Ken Holman Tim McGrath (vice chair) Andy Schoka STANDING ITEMS Additions to the calendar: http://ibiblio.org/bosak/ubl/calendar.htm TM: Was not able to attend the Standards 2007 conference in sydney. GKH: Add name to XML 2007 entry. Liaison report AS: TL and AS represented UBL at the TBG17 F2F in Paris. The meeting was very positive. TM: We also participated in a TBG17 telecon since the last report, and another call is scheduled for later today to discusss the timetable and prototypes of the process and artefacts. Subcommittee report: TSC AS: Con call scheduled for next week. Review of Atlantic call No comments. Support page submissions None this week. 2008 TC WORK SCHEDULE See http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/200711/msg00019.html TARGETING COMMITTEE SPECIFICATIONS AGREED that we are aiming for CS status with the Customization Guidelines, the 2.0 Update Package, the IDD, and UBL 2.1 (followed by OS in the case of 2.1 after sufficient time has elapsed for implementations). [Note that we have already targeted CS status for the UBL 2.0 NDR.] SCHEDULE FOR UPDATE PACKAGE GKH (re: status check: gc updates): All of the genericode files will need to be updated to bring them up to gc 1.0 (versions in UBL 2.0 OS are gc 0.4). AGREED: TM to give GKH revised content by 12/17; GKH to deliver entire updated gc directory tree by 1/7 [i.e., 2008-01-07]. AGREED to move final build of 2.0UP to 1/14 and approval of PRD to 1/28, i.e., approve the UP PRD at the meeting in Manhattan. SCHEDULE FOR UBL 2.1 ACTION: TSC to fill in line 12 after the con call scheduled for 11/29. AGREED to move publication of 2.1 CS to April 2009. SCHEDULE FOR UBL 2.0 NAMING AND DESIGN RULES GKH/TM: We need to add a section to the NDR to document instance-level code list metadata: list ID, list version ID, etc. With code lists, UBL is defining values, and we need a section describing the metadata for those values. GKH has done this for CVAs and is prepared to help MG/MC with the task. ACTION: JB to put this on the agenda for the Atlantic call. SCHEDULE FOR CUSTOMIZATION GUIDELINES GKH: MC/MG are only scheduled to have Chapter 1 done by Manhattan. We have to sign off on it there, and then write Chapters 2 and 3. TM: Thus completing the Guidelines at the meeting in Europe. ACTION: JB to put Chapter 1 status check on the Atlantic agenda. SCHEDULE FOR CALCULATION MODELS GKH: This will come out of HISC along with the XForms; take it off the schedule as a separate item. SCHEDULE FOR BITS TM/AS: This looks about right, as most of the work remaining will be done in PSC. UPDATE PACKAGE: JPLSC COMMENTS See http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/200710/msg00021.html We got halfway through the JPLSC comments this week, as detailed below. We intend to finish this in next week's Pacific call. Two basic points were noted at the beginning of the discussion: (1) we cannot make any backwards-incompatible changes until the next major release of UBL (not UBL 2.1, which is a minor release); (2) everything decided here will have to be reviewed by the PSC as well as by participants in the Atlantic call. The numbers refer to item numbers (not line numbers) in the spreadsheet provided by the JPLSC. 1. To be considered for the next major release. 2. A quick check of Order and Order Response shows these ASBIEs in green, so we're not seeing the problem referred to. We will need specific examples. 3. ACTION: TM to post to the PSC list for further consideration. 4. The order is deliberate, not an oversight. To be reconsidered in the next major release. 5. The language is deliberate, but it may be advisable to provide a separate definition for Catalogue Managing Party. ACTION: TM to post to the PSC list for further consideration. 6. The terms are not interchangeable. ACTION: TM to provide an answer. 7. ACTION: TM to provide an answer. 8. This is a typo in the definition: "code" should be "cost centre." ACTION: Add to the update task list. 9. This is deliberate; the semantic JPLSC are requesting is given by "ID." (UBL 1 had BuyerOrderID and SellerOrderID. In UBL 2 these are ID and SalesOrderID, respectively.) 10. This is a PSC question. It was the subject of considerable debate in 2.0. To be considered for UBL 2.1 (added optional constructs). 11. TM to provide an answer. 12. Same as item 9. 13. Same as item 9. 14. This is a typo in the definition, and the correction given is correct. ACTION: Add to the update task list. 15. Same as item 8. ACTION: Add to the update task list. 16. The definition is correct as is. 17. The added qualifier "legal" is necessary in order to differentiate the legally binding total specified by the supplier in the Invoice from the monetary total specified by the buyer in the Order. However, the definition should be clarified by changing "total amount payable" to "legally binding total amount payable." ACTION: Add to the update task list. 18. ACTION: TM to post to the PSC list for further consideration. 19. We understand the concern raised by JPLSC, and in fact this document was called "ForwardingInstruction" (singular) in early drafts of UBL 2.0. The name was changed to "ForwardingInstructions" (plural) in accordance with input from UN/CEFACT TBG3 in order to align with the name in UNTDED and UN/CEFACT UNeDocs. 20. The correction is correct: "shipping instruction" should be "forwarding instruction." But then we don't need two sentences. So the correction should be: (1) Leave the first sentence as is; (2) remove the second sentence; (3) add "shipping instruction" as an alternative Business Term. ACTION: Add to the update task list. 21. Same as item 19. 22. This is something to be explained in some future Implementation Guidelines. It is true that Shipping Order will usually be issued after Forwarding Instructions, but this is not always the case. Following the UNTDED, the optional ShippingOrderID is provided for cases in which Shipping Order is made before Forwarding Instructions. In most Forwarding Instructions, this element would not be used. Processing of the remaining JPLSC comments continues next week. 2008 TC MEETING SCHEDULE 28 Jan - 1 Feb 2008 in Manhattan Confirmed. 101 Park Avenue. April 2008 in Rome (together with UBL International Day) GKH: We are converging on the week of 14-18 April 2008 for the TC meeting in Rome, but this is not final yet. ACTION: Discuss these dates in the Atlantic call. 4-8 August 2008 in Montr饌l Confirmed. Hotel Europa, rue Drummond. January 2009 in Fremantle Still tentative. NOVEMBER-JANUARY TC CONCALL SCHEDULE Week of 11/19 Regular schedule Week of 11/26 Regular schedule Week of 12/03 Skip Week of 12/10 Regular schedule Week of 12/17 Regular schedule Week of 12/24 Skip Week of 12/31 Skip Week of 01/07 Regular schedule Week of 01/14 Regular schedule Week of 01/21 Skip Week of 01/28 Manhattan F2F Week of 02/04 Skip Week of 02/11 Regular schedule ################################################################## TRACKING ITEMS ################################################################## UPDATE PACKAGE Methodology: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/200710/msg00027.html http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/200711/msg00006.html PACIFIC ACTION ITEMS FROM MANHATTAN (MAY 2007) ACTION: PSC and TSC to provide feedback on UBL 2.0 SBS 2.0: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/23873 Pending. ACTION: PSC and TSC to summarize business rules that are (1) wanted in UBL but not allowed by [i.e., capable of being addressed by] the NDR (e.g., requirement to include one of PartyName and PartyIdentifier but not both) and (2) data items whose constraints are inherited from another standard (e.g., lengths of data items specified by UNTDED); the rules so identified to become candidates for a list of schematron assertions "recommended to be included" (final characterization TBD). Pending. Jon Bosak Chair, OASIS UBL TC --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that generates this mail. You may a link to this group and all your TCs in OASIS at: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php
UBL TC review to JPLSC comments of UBL 2.0.xls
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