Re: TSC Action Item FollowUp

[jon.bosak@sun.com]

Hello UBL TC,

The TSC appears to have reached agreement on the matter referenced
in the appended message from Andy Schoka.  This is the last item
needing resolution before we can finish spreadsheet changes for
the update package.  If you agree with these revised definitions
in the (slightly edited) form shown immediately below, do nothing.
If you disagree, send notice to this list no later than COB
Tuesday 5 February 2008.

   Shipment: An identifiable collection of one or more goods items
   to be transported between the seller party and the buyer
   party. This information may be defined within a commercial
   contract. A shipment can be transported in different
   consignments (e.g., split for logistical purposes).

   Consignment: An identifiable collection of one or more goods
   items to be transported between the consignor and the
   consignee. This information may be defined within a transport
   contract. A consignment may comprise more than one shipment
   (e.g., when consolidated by a freight forwarder).

Jon Bosak
Chair, UBL TC

------- Start of forwarded message -------
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:04:51 -0500
From: Andrew Schoka <AMSchoka@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [ubl-tsc] Re: TSC Action Item FollowUp
In-reply-to: <003701c85ebd$a4012ef0$ec038cd0$%probert@dial.pipex.com>
To: sue.probert@dial.pipex.com, "'Tim McGrath'" <tmcgrath@portcomm.com.au>
Cc: "'JAVEST'" <roberto@javest.com>, hvmaaren@cetima.nl, dvankemmel@wanadoo.fr,
        heikki.laaksamo@tieke.fi, fmh@progrator.dk, ihu@ds.dk, KVP@itst.dk,
        Michael.Onder@dot.gov, ralph.ho@tradelink.com.hk,
        "'Connie Hing, Phaik See'" <ConnieHing@crimsonlogic.com>,
        "'Kama, Kamarudin Bin Tambi'" <kama@crimsonlogic.com>,
        jon.bosak@sun.com

Hi Sue,
Thank you for your comments and your link to UNCEFACT material.
Given the sense of harmony in this last exchange, I propose that we accept
Tim's latest wording for Shipment and Consignment as follows:

Shipment: An identifiable collection of one or more goods items to be 
transported between the seller party and the buyer party. This 
information may be defined within a commercial contract. A shipment can 
be transported in different consignments (eg split for logistical purposes).

Consignment: An identifiable collection of one or more goods items to be 
transported between the consignor and the consignee. This information 
may be defined within a transport contract. A consignment may comprise 
of more than one shipment (eg when consolidated by a freight forwarder).


Given that I don't receive any negative comments from the TSC members in the
next seven days, I will take this as agreement and will carry this forward
to the TC next week at the F2F.

Regards,
Andy


- -----Original Message-----
From: Sue Probert [mailto:sue.probert@dial.pipex.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 2:16 PM
To: 'Tim McGrath'; 'Andrew Schoka'
Cc: 'JAVEST'; hvmaaren@cetima.nl; dvankemmel@wanadoo.fr;
heikki.laaksamo@tieke.fi; fmh@progrator.dk; ihu@ds.dk; KVP@itst.dk;
Michael.Onder@dot.gov; ralph.ho@tradelink.com.hk; 'Connie Hing, Phaik See';
'Kama, Kamarudin Bin Tambi'; jon.bosak@sun.com
Subject: RE: [ubl-tsc] Re: TSC Action Item FollowUp



- -----Original Message-----
From: Sue Probert [mailto:sue.probert@dial.pipex.com] 
Sent: 24 January 2008 19:10
To: 'Tim McGrath'; 'Andrew Schoka'
Cc: 'JAVEST'; 'hvmaaren@cetima.nl'; 'ubl-tsc@lists.oasis-open.org';
'dvankemmel@wanadoo.fr'; 'heikki.laaksamo@tieke.fi'; 'fmh@progrator.dk';
'ihu@ds.dk'; 'KVP@itst.dk'; 'Michael.Onder@dot.gov';
'ralph.ho@tradelink.com.hk'; 'Connie Hing, Phaik See'; 'Kama, Kamarudin Bin
Tambi'; 'jon.bosak@sun.com'
Subject: RE: [ubl-tsc] Re: TSC Action Item FollowUp

Hi Tim

As Henk has well described, it is obviously beneficial to share the same
definitions of our two key concepts for transport and logistics i.e.
shipment and consignment.

The UN/CEFACT Plenary approved UNeDocs BRS (Business requirements
Specification) which can be downloaded from the TBG2 website
www.uncefactforum.org/TBG/TBG2/tbg2_unedocs.htm includes these cross-domain
agreed definitions plus key role definitions and entity relationships.

The definitions that you propose below are almost the same as the UN/CEFACT
definitions except that they do not add that one consignment can be made up
of one or more shipments as an added dimension. To complement this, our
shipment definition reflects this as well.

It is certainly important to capture the fact that shipments to consignments
can be 1 to 1, many to one, one to many or many to many because this helps
significantly when applying the UCR (Unique Customs Reference) to identify
reported cargoes to Customs and other cross-border agencies when required.

Best regards

Sue

- -----Original Message-----
From: Tim McGrath [mailto:tmcgrath@portcomm.com.au] 
Sent: 24 January 2008 13:02
To: Andrew Schoka
Cc: 'JAVEST'; hvmaaren@cetima.nl; ubl-tsc@lists.oasis-open.org;
dvankemmel@wanadoo.fr; heikki.laaksamo@tieke.fi; fmh@progrator.dk;
ihu@ds.dk; KVP@itst.dk; Michael.Onder@dot.gov; ralph.ho@tradelink.com.hk;
'Connie Hing, Phaik See'; 'Kama, Kamarudin Bin Tambi'; jon.bosak@sun.com
Subject: Re: [ubl-tsc] Re: TSC Action Item FollowUp

partially this is dealing with the legacy issue but there is a real 
difference between Shipment and Consignment.

Henk has correctly noted the shipment is a commercial arrangement 
(covered by a commercial contract), and consignment is logistical 
arrangement (covered under a transport contract.)

Roberto is correct that we have not been consistent in out levels of 
abstration.  I also suspect a problem with the word 'arrangement'

My proposal is that we should say:

Shipment: An identifiable collection of one or more goods items to be 
transported between the seller party and the buyer party. This 
information may be defined within a commercial contract. A shipment can 
be transported in different consignments (eg split for logistical purposes).

Consignment: An identifiable collection of one or more goods items to be 
transported between the consignor and the consignee. This information 
may be defined within a transport contract. A consignment may comprise 
of more than one shipment (eg when consolidated by a freight forwarder).

hopefully this exposes and highlights the two different 'views'.

in terms of next steps.  i suggest you propose a final definition and if 
no-one objects then we adopt it.

Andrew Schoka wrote:
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> Perhaps Tim could also share some of the rationale developed for 
> defining both shipment and consignment.
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