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Subject: Re: [ubl] Updated version of the Customization doc (v0.2)

Many thanks Jon. It does clarify what the derived schema should look
like. So for instance an Example Company Ltd custom schema might include:

  Portions copyright (c) OASIS Open 2008. All Rights Reserved.
  Portions copyright (c) Example Company Ltd 2008. All Rights Reserved.

I guess something in the customization document to this effect would be
good along with a pointer to the IPR statement.

Best regards
Stephen D. Green

SystML, http://www.systml.co.uk
Tel: +44 (0) 117 9541606

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew+22:37 .. and voice

Quoting jon.bosak@sun.com:

> Sorry it's taken so long to answer Stephen's inquiry about
> customized UBL schemas as derivative works, but it's an important
> question, and I wanted to get a definitive response from OASIS.
> Jamie Clark (who unlike most of us actually *is* a lawyer) has
> answered for OASIS as follows:
>    OASIS policies support implementations, subsetting and
>    extensions of OASIS works, so long as they respect conformance,
>    in the sense of not claiming compliance with an OASIS work, or
>    identity with an OASIS work, incorrectly.
>    Specifications and models published for use by others that
>    incorporate OASIS work should include the following in an
>    appropriate place, usually near the author's own copyright
>    notice:
>       Portions copyright (c) OASIS Open 200[8]. All Rights Reserved.
>    This text can be followed by our policy URI if the author
>    wishes to provide that reference:
>       http://www.oasis-open.org/who/intellectualproperty.php
>    Those who publish such works should take note of the rights
>    available under the OASIS IPR Policy and their limitations,
>    including any notices posted with respect to a specific work.
>    In specific cases there may be parties other than OASIS who,
>    from time to time, post assertions that a license is needed.
>    We generally welcome activity of this kind, and would be
>    pleased to hear of the final URI or resource.  In appropriate
>    cases, OASIS may assist in publicizing the work in its own
>    channels.
> IANAL, but I think the most important paragraph in Jamie's
> response is the first one: as long as the ultimate origin in an
> OASIS publication is properly acknowledged, the issue is not
> whether you are allowed to create a subset or superset, but rather
> whether you are allowed to claim that the modified product is the
> one that OASIS originally published.  The answer to that is No.
> So if you modify the UBL 2.0 Invoice schema, for example, you
> can't claim that it's the UBL 2.0 Invoice schema (and you should
> include a copyright statement like the one shown above, changing
> the year as appropriate).
> Jon
>    Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 05:23:58 -0700
>    From: stephen.green@systml.co.uk
>    Again, an excellent document in my opinion and I appreciate
>    the changes made. I've hesitated in asking this before but
>    maybe there is a legal issue the document might deal with:
>    the copyright statement on the OASIS artefacts seems to be
>    a little at odds with customisation. Is there an acceptable
>    way to create and publish schemas for subsets which can be
>    assured NOT to violate the stated OASIS copyright notice?
>    "This document and translations of it may be copied and furnished to
>    others, and derivative works that comment on or otherwise explain it
>    or assist in its implementation may be prepared, copied, published,
>    and distributed, in whole or in part, without restriction of any kind,
>    provided that the above copyright notice and this section are included
>    on all such copies and derivative works."
>    This gives the impression it is OK to produce a derivative schema
>    for a subset, even if you aren't a UBL group, provided it includes
>    the OASIS copyright.
>    But:
>    "However, this document itself may not be modified in any way,
>    including by removing the copyright notice or references to OASIS,
>    except as needed for the purpose of developing any document or
>    deliverable produced by an OASIS Technical Committee (in which case
>    the rules applicable to copyrights, as set forth in the OASIS IPR
>    Policy, must be followed) or as required to translate it into
>    languages other than English."
>    This gives the impression you cannot produce a schema which is a   
> modification
>    of the OASIS UBL schema, unless you are a UBL TC group or another  
>    Maybe an agreed way to produce a custom-UBL schema without violation
>    of any of the copyright notice would not go amiss within the customisation
>    guidelines.
>    Plus I'm still not convinced the document adequately covers the matter
>    of semantic changes - so-called 'semantic drift' - as a reason to  
>  customise
>    and whether or not customisations of the definitions of BIEs or datatypes
>    is compliant or conformant. If compliant, then how to cater specifically
>    for such changes in a compliant way. And can a change which only changes
>    wording of a definition constitute a conformant customisation? And since
>    the change to a definition does affect instance validity does this not
>    require a slight modification or qualification of the definition of what
>    constitutes a conformant customization?
>    Sorry to ask questions which might provoke controversy but I guess they
>    have to be asked at some point and now seems to be the time.
>    --
>    Stephen D. Green
>    Partner
>    SystML, http://www.systml.co.uk
>    Tel: +44 (0) 117 9541606
>    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew+22:37 .. and voice
>    Quoting mavis.cournane@cognitran.com:
>    > Dear all
>    > please find attached the updated version (0.2) of the Customization
>    > document based on plenary review today.
>    >
>    > Regards
>    > Mavis and Mike
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