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Subject: Minutes of Atlantic UBL TC call 20 December 2017 15:00UTC

Minutes of Atlantic UBL TC call 20 December 2017 15:00UTC


  Todd Albers
  Oriol Bausà
  Kenneth Bengtsson
  Erlend Klakegg Bergheim
  Peter Borresen
  Kees Duvekot
  G. Ken Holman (convener)
  Ole Madsen
  Enric Staromiejski Torregrosa


    - the following should be used as a specific citation:
      OASIS Universal Business Language (UBL) v2.1 (ISO/IEC 19845:2015)
    - the following would be used for a general (any version) citation:
      OASIS UBL (ISO/IEC 19845)
    - the canonical documents are available in the OASIS repository:
    - the ISO/IEC catalogue entry is found at:
    - the ISO/IEC document and attachments are found at:


   Additions to events calendar: http://ubl.xml.org/events
    - no new events to add at this time

   Review of Atlantic call minutes

   Membership status review

    - voting status is determined by the following:
      - existing voting members must not miss two consecutive meetings to
        maintain voting status
      - non-voting members must attend two consecutive meetings to obtain
        voting status
      - members formally on leave by prior request must not attend and
        their voting status is not impacted
    - current UBL TC voting member list (alphabetical) and relationships:
      - Todd Albers
        - Member ASC X9 AB, Member ISO 20022 Payment SEG, Member W3C Web
          Payments Interest Group, Business Payments Coalition
      - Oriol Bausà Peris
        - Member OASIS BDXR, Member OASIS ebXML, Editor TC434 Validation
      - Kenneth Bengtsson
        - Chair OASIS BDXR, Observer OASIS ebXML, DK Expert UN/CEFACT
      - Erlend Klakegg Bergheim
        - Member OASIS BDXR, Member OASIS ebXML Core & MS
        - Member CEN/TC434/WS8
      - Peter Borresen
        - DK Member CEN/TC440, Assistant Convenor TC440/WG7
      - Kees Duvekot
        - Member OASIS BDXR
      - G. Ken Holman (Chair OASIS UBL TC)
        - Member OASIS BDXR, CA Member JTC 1/SC32, CA Expert UN/CEFACT
      - Ole Ellerbæk Madsen
        - DK Member CEN/TC440, CEN/TC440 Liaison JTC 1/SC 32
    - members approaching gaining voting status after next meeting:
      - Enric Staromiejski Torregrosa
   - active non-voting members
      - Roberto Cisternino
        - IT Expert UN/CEFACT
      - Enric Staromiejski Torregrosa
        - Member OASIS ebXML, European Commission liaison (DG GROWTH)
      - Audun Vennesland
    - new member orientation information:

UBL 2.2
 - Peter managing requirements for transportation documents
 - Kees managing requirements for post-award documents
 - Ole managing requirements for pre-award documents
 - Roberto managing requirements for party information documents
 - 30-day Committee Specification Public Review Draft 02 ends December 7:


 - CSPRD02 disposition of comments worksheet:
   - a number of issues were added on the last day of the public review,
     some of which appear to require another 15-day review when done
   - pre-award needs will meet after next week's call to discuss the issues

 - an interesting comment was received just before the November 8 meeting:
   - Ken will draft the committee note approach to resolving this for
     extension writers

 - countdown to standardization outlined in our UBL Governance document:


   - Candidate OASIS Standard COS1 prepared in early March
- https://www.oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/tc-process-2017-05-26#OSsubmission
   - search begins for Statements of Use of candidate UBL 2.2
     - we need three statements of use to make UBL 2.2 a final standard
- https://www.oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/oasis-defined-terms-2017-05-26#dStatementUse
   - 15-day TC Administration review by end of March
   - 60-day public review of COS1 over end of May
   - 14-day OASIS member ballot at beginning of June
   - late June UBL 2.2 becomes an OASIS Standard
   - mid-May we will begin the ISO revision process for ISO/IEC 19845
     - current thoughts are we will wait until 2.3 before updating 19845
   - we never know what the TC Admin workload will be at any given step
     to know if any steps will be delayed
   - we are already 6 months from our original objective of end of 2017

UBL 2.3
 - a posting has been made to the mail archives so that it can be cited
   in other correspondence:


 - Peter managing requirements for transportation documents
 - Kees managing requirements for post-award documents
 - Ole managing requirements for pre-award documents
 - Roberto managing requirements for party information documents
 - Kenneth and Todd managing requirements for payments and finance documents
 - based on the UBL 2.2 schedule outlined above, changes could be started
   for UBL 2.3 consideration and testing at the end of October 2017
   - we are on schedule for this once UBL 2.2 CSPRD02 is out for public review
 - we should further consider the idea raised earlier of splitting UBL into
   different normative parts

UBL Payments and Finance Subcommittee
 - agreed to have a face-to-face during the Exchange Summit Americas
   conference http://www.exchange-summit.com/exa/miami May 8-9, 2017

Outreach and communications
 - work progressing on analyzing current communication channels

UBL Transportation Subcommittee
 - from last week, suggested new document types for UBL 2.3 for agenda at
- ServiceReport - a new document type to report delivery of services in stead
of using dispatch advice
   - ATA Carnet - a new document for allowing temporary imports of goods for
   - Customs Import declaration -  a new document for importing goods
   - Customs Export declaration - a new document for exporting goods
   - Food item - requirements for describing foods
- Ken is helping TC204 with the Common Framework specification of a UBL subset
   that is used in http://eimpactproject.eu
 - Peter reports that the International Chamber of Commerce (ICC) Denmark is
   promoting the use of the UBL Certificate of Origin
   - https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6349168638779486208

JSON Task Group
 - the TC continues to invite public comment on the latest versions of
   these specifications until such time as we agree to progress the documents
   to their next steps in the process:


 - awaiting TC Administration feedback regarding:


   - as this is a facet of the public perception of an OASIS specification,
     the OASIS TC Administration not only needs to be involved, but they are
     the ones to do the heavy lifting with IANA with an amalgam of our
     needs and their needs, so we have to work with them and through them
     - ticket created for tracking:


 - Ken will be creating a new working draft to remove nothing but add some
   guidelines regarding those extensions to UBL that are specified using
   CCTS (per the scope of the work product), recognizing there is no attempt
   to transliterate arbitrary XML into JSON
 - Kenneth is looking to contact projects using JSON on MongoDB, please
   contact him if you have any information to share
 - comment posted for review from Tradeshift
   - https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/201709/msg00000.html
 - comment posted for review from Australia (though it is an indirect link
   and not properly posted for commenting), and it appears to be observations
   and not a specific comment for action
   - https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/201709/msg00001.html

Discussion of UBL extension mechanism
 - a request was made offline for a detailed discussion of the design and
   use of extensions
 - see the current descriptions found in the latest draft:
 - this discussion is deferred until a week when the requestor can attend
   the call

JIRA tickets
   https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=12972 (note that the view can
   be changed using the box icon at top right; the list view provides the most
   summary information, without the detail view obscuring the screen space)

   - when creating tickets, remember to distinguish the following components
     by how they are described to be used as categories:
     - if you leave the "Component/s" field empty, the ticket will not show up
       in the summary filter

   - status and resolution values:
     - NEW - the issue has been created but not yet agreed to be in
             consideration or not for the development distribution
           - in order for the issue to become active work for the committee
             the new ticket must be changed to OPEN or it will not be seen
             in the "to do" filter
           - the other option on a new ticket is to change it to DEFERRED
           - please remember to look at the open filter to ensure visibility:
     - OPEN - the issue is in consideration for the development distribution
            - keep the issue OPEN when assigning to Ken for incorporation
            - please remember to add a comment regarding expectations whenever
              you assign an OPEN ticket to another person for any action
     - RESOLVED + Applied - the issue is incorporated in test but not released
     - RESOLVED + Fixed - the issue is incorporated in a working draft version
     - RESOLVED + Later - the issue is still up for discussion for a future
                          minor revision but not the current development
     - RESOLVED + No Action - considered as no action for any distribution
     - RESOLVED + Cannot Reproduce - considered as no action for distribution
     - APPLIED + Fixed - the issue is included in a public review (record the
                         availability of the disposition once review opened)
     - DEFERRED - the issue is not in consideration for any minor revision
                - please remember to use this when creating new tickets for
                  backwards-incompatible changes
    - see also the discussion on the status workflows here:

   - members please note to discuss ticket issues as comments to the ticket so
     that we can audit the discussion when making decisions about the ticket,
     without having to find the discussion on the main mail list

   - to find all of the OASIS TC Administration tickets related to UBL, use
     the https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=13070 filter


  2018-01-09/10 - Fremantle, Australia
                - focus is on the early developments of 2.3, and anything
                  needed for finalizing 2.2 (which should already be done)
                - a welcome BBQ is planned for the afternoon of January 8
                - the meeting venue is: https://www.fremantle.wa.gov.au/tmp
                  and costs AUD$200 total for the two days (provided we vacate
on time 09:00-16:00 each day! Please plan for short lunches)
                - plenary teleconference at 15:00(local)/07:00(UTC) each day
   - proposed discussion topics during the face-to-face
     - transportation
       - new document types
       - scoping of the new documents
       - how to approach new documents that are in other domains
     - procurement
       - where to go from here?
       - do we want to define business processes as samples? (risk that
         such would be perceived as the only way of doing things)
     - payments and finance
       - activity update regarding bill of exchange and revised remittance
       - presentation from Todd regarding progress with the Business Payments
     - membership and communication/promotion
       - how to get new members to participate in the work?
     - timing and governance
       - how to ensure input from outside the committee in a timely fashion
       - do we need to update the governance document?


  2017-12-27 No UBL teleconferences
  2017-01-03 No UBL teleconferences
  2018-01-09 Face-to-face in Fremantle, Australia
  2018-01-09 Plenary teleconference  07:00UTC/08:00CET/15:00Fremantle
  2018-01-10 Face-to-face in Fremantle, Australia
  2018-01-10 Plenary teleconference  07:00UTC/08:00CET/15:00Fremantle
  2018-01-17 No UBL teleconferences
  2018-01-24 No UBL teleconferences
  2018-01-31 Atlantic teleconference 15:00UTC/16:00CET/10:00EST
  2018-02-07 Atlantic teleconference 15:00UTC/16:00CET/10:00EST
  2018-02-14 Atlantic teleconference 15:00UTC/16:00CET/10:00EST
  2018-02-21 Atlantic teleconference 15:00UTC/16:00CET/10:00EST
  2018-02-28 Atlantic teleconference 15:00UTC/16:00CET/10:00EST

  Next Pacific call meetings:
   CCYY-MM-DD Pacific 02:00UTC/21:00EST - November to March
   CCYY-MM-DD Pacific 01:00UTC/21:00EST - April to October
   - these teleconferences are suspended until warranted by attendance

 Will anyone be requesting a leave of absence in the near future?  For
 privacy reasons, this discussion will be kept off of the minutes.

 TC calendar:

 TC calendar iCal subscription link:


 - none

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