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Subject: Re: [ubl] Agenda for Pacific UBL TC call 04 July 2018 00:00UTC
HI Ken I am joining - just a few technical challenges > On 3 Jul 2018, at 10:41, G. Ken Holman <gkholman@CraneSoftwrights.com> wrote: > > Agenda for Pacific UBL TC call 04 July 2018 00:00UTC > http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=2018-07-04T00:00:00 > 2018-07-04 UBL Pacific - 19:00MSP/19:00Lima/20:00Ottawa/00:00UTC/10:00Sydney > > CONFERENCING INFO > > Meeting ID: 547 975 473 > > Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android: > https://zoom.us/j/547975473 > > Or iPhone one-tap (US toll): > +14086380968,,547975473# or +16465588656,,547975473# > > Or international dial-in number (toll): > https://zoom.us/zoomconference?m=tZYVoCjT6sw0zaoKK3bbfRHUX43prdSf > > Many thanks to http://eFact.pe for sponsoring our teleconferences. > > > REFERENCING THE SPECIFICATION > > - the following should be used as a specific citation: > OASIS Universal Business Language (UBL) v2.1 (ISO/IEC 19845:2015) > - the following would be used for a general (any version) citation: > OASIS UBL (ISO/IEC 19845) > - the canonical documents are available in the OASIS repository: > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/os-UBL-2.1/ > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/cs01-UBL-2.2/ (standardization pending) > - the ISO/IEC catalogue entry for UBL 2.1 is found at: > http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail.htm/?csnumber=66370 > - the ISO/IEC document and attachments for UBL 2.1 are found at: > http://standards.iso.org/ittf/PubliclyAvailableStandards/ > > > STANDING ITEMS > > Additions to events calendar: http://ubl.xml.org/events > - any new events to add at this time? > > Review of Pacific call minutes > https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201806/msg00001.html > > Review of Atlantic call minutes > https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201806/msg00003.html > > Membership status review > https://www.oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/tc-process#membership > https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/membership.php?wg_abbrev=ubl > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ubl/members/roster.php?num_items=80 > > - voting status is determined by the following: > - existing voting members must not miss two consecutive meetings to > maintain voting status > - non-voting members must attend two consecutive meetings to obtain > voting status > - members formally on leave by prior request must not attend and > their voting status is not impacted > - current UBL TC voting member list (alphabetical) and relationships: > - Todd Albers > - Member ASC X9 AB, Member ISO 20022 Payment SEG, Member W3C Web > Payments Interest Group, Business Payments Coalition > - Kenneth Bengtsson > - Chair OASIS BDXR, Observer OASIS ebXML, DK Expert UN/CEFACT > - Erlend Klakegg Bergheim > - Member OASIS BDXR, Member OASIS ebXML Core & MS > - Member CEN/TC434/WS8 > - Peter Borresen > - DK Member CEN/TC440, Assistant Convenor CEN/TC440/WG7 > - Kees Duvekot > - Member OASIS BDXR, ÂMember of the StandaardisatieÂplatform > e-factureren > - CÃcile Guasch > - Member CEN/TC440, Convenor CEN/TC440/WG1, Convenor CEN/TC440/WG2, > European Commission liaison (DIGIT Interoperability Unit) > - G. Ken Holman > - Member OASIS BDXR, CA Member JTC 1/SC32, CA Expert UN/CEFACT > - Ole EllerbÃk Madsen > - DK Member CEN/TC440, CEN/TC440 Liaison JTC 1/SC 32 > - Levine Naidoo > - Member OASIS BDXR, Observer OASIS ebXML, Member Fintech Australia > - Matt Vickers, Xero > - Member OASIS BDXR, Member US Business Payments Coalition, > Director US Data Coalition > - members approaching losing voting status after this meeting: > - Todd Albers > - Erlend Klakegg Bergheim > - active non-voting members > - Oriol Bausà Peris > - Member OASIS BDXR, Member OASIS ebXML, Editor TC434 Validation > - Enric Staromiejski Torregrosa > - Member OASIS ebXML, European Commission liaison (DG GROWTH) > - Roberto Cisternino > - IT Expert UN/CEFACT > - Audun Vennesland > - new member orientation information: > https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=59647 > > UBL 2.2 > - UBL 2.2 Committee Specification 01 is published: > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/cs01-UBL-2.2/UBL-2.2.html > > - UBL 2.2 OASIS Standard Call for Consent open until end of July 9, 2018: > > https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201806/msg00005.html > > - countdown to standardization outlined in our UBL Governance document: > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/UBL-Governance/v1.0/cn01/UBL-Governance-v1.0-cn01.html#S-THE-PATHWAY-TO-STANDARDIZATION > > - 60-day public review of COS01 over by the third week of June > - if no comments, member call for consent at the end of June > - if comments, member call for consent at beginning of July > - late July UBL 2.2 becomes an OASIS Standard > - mid-August we will begin the ISO revision process for ISO/IEC 19845 > - we are already 8 months from our original objective of end of 2017 > - do we need to review our governance and our timing for releases? > > > UBL 2.3 > - a posting has been made to the mail archives so that it can be cited > in other correspondence: > > https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201702/msg00006.html > > - Cecile managing requirements for pre-award documents > - Kees managing requirements for post-award documents > - Peter managing requirements for transportation documents > - Kenneth and Todd managing requirements for payments and finance documents > - Roberto managing requirements for party information documents > - all subcommittee and task group leaders are asked to take on the > assignment of JIRA tickets from the current list of "Later" tickets, > and open each one: > https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=12972 > - use the button "Reject Resolution" in order to re-open the ticket, and > then "Assign to me" to take on the ticket > - there should be none left for Ken when this task is done > - reminder about the calendar for UBL 2.3: > - working drafts at the end of 2018 > - final OASIS Standard at the end of 2019 > - final ISO Standard at the end of 2020 > - new requirements identified in Europe: > - pre-award catalogue (from Norway) > - contract information > > > Subcommittees conference call schedule > - Australian Localisation Subcommittee will be meeting in the TC "off weeks" > at the Pacific call time slot (00:00 UTC) > - Small Business Subcommittee will be meeting in the TC "off weeks", > Wednesdays at 14:00 UTC. > - Transportation Subcommittee will be meeting on Wednesdays every week at > 13:00 UTC (will be using Peter's GotoMeeting facility). > > > UBL Payments and Finance Subcommittee > - status report > > > Outreach and communications > - work progressing on analyzing current communication channels > https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-adoption/201710/msg00001.html > > > UBL Transportation Subcommittee > - new document types discussed at the face-to-face > - Framework for new document types are being drafted and will be given as input for UBL 2.3 > - Transportation Subcommittee is now working on a separate Google document for document types and for ABIE > > > UBL Small Business Subcommittee > - status report > > > UBL Australian Localisation Subcommittee > - status report > > > OASIS Business Document Naming and Design Rules > - Ken to prototype proposed augmented extension mechanism first discussed > at the Fremantle face-to-face: > - add an extension point at the beginning of *every* ABIE, not just the > document ABIEs > - ticket created to track online discussion: > https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/UBL-174 > - working extensible UBL 2.1 schemas link posted to the ticket > - Martin notified and he is contacting his industry colleagues who need it > - 2018-02-22 discussion preserved for more discussion: > - concerns based on real-world implementations of UBL where, without prior > experience, and who do not have a data model that matches UBL, then UBL > is very complex > - what has been seen are very grave examples of claiming conformance but > just throwing it into an extension rather than using the appropriate > data element from UBL because it is easy to do so > - maybe even up to 70% of the document shows up in the extension rather > than in standard business objects > - adding more extension points makes it more attractive to put one's data > into extensions for one of many reasons > other than conformance (laziness, > time-lines, understanding, etc.) > - perhaps better documentation would make conformance better > - the argument for is that there may be more uptake of UBL if > implementers are able to more easily add what they need where they > need it > - one cannot prevent bad use of UBL but would more extension points > promote more bad use? > - proposed approach is intended to contextualize extensions where they > belong rather than grouping them all up-front and having to determine > where they apply > - first comments received (on the ticket) regarding extensible ABIEs: > > https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=62586 > > - JSON rules in the OASIS Business Document Naming and Design Rules > - active tickets: https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=13472 > - the TC continues to invite public comment on the latest versions of > these specifications until such time as we agree to progress the documents > to their next steps in the process: > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/Business-Document-NDR/v1.1/Business-Document-NDR-v1.1.html > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/UBL-2.1-JSON/v1.0/UBL-2.1-JSON-v1.0.html > > - awaiting TC Administration feedback regarding: > > https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/201705/msg00000.html > > - as this is a facet of the public perception of an OASIS specification, > the OASIS TC Administration not only needs to be involved, but they are > the ones to do the heavy lifting with IANA with an amalgam of our > needs and their needs, so we have to work with them and through them > - ticket created for tracking: > > https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/TCADMIN-2587 > > - comment posted for review from Tradeshift > - https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/201709/msg00000.html > - comment posted for review from Australia (though it is an indirect link > and not properly posted for commenting), and it appears to be observations > and not a specific comment for action > - https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/201709/msg00001.html > - Ken has begun work on the changes but is stalled looking for a JSON > schema processor for Draft-7 of the json-schema specification > > > JIRA tickets > - available filters: > - UBL 2.x - https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=12972 > - BDNDR - https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=13472 > - All UBL - https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=11670 > - TCAdmin - https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=13070 > > - when creating tickets, remember to distinguish the following components > by how they are described to be used as categories: > <https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/UBL/?selectedTab=com.atlassian.jira.jira-projects-plugin:components-panel>https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/UBL/?selectedTab=com.atlassian.jira.jira-projects-plugin:components-panel > - if you leave the "Component/s" field empty, the ticket will not show up > in the summary filter > > - status and resolution values: > - NEW - the issue has been created but not yet agreed to be in > consideration or not for the development distribution > - in order for the issue to become active work for the committee > the new ticket must be changed to OPEN or it will not be seen > in the "to do" filter > - the other option on a new ticket is to change it to DEFERRED > - please remember to look at the open filter to ensure visibility: > https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=12972 > - OPEN - the issue is in consideration for the development distribution > - keep the issue OPEN when assigning to Ken for incorporation > - please remember to add a comment regarding expectations whenever > you assign an OPEN ticket to another person for any action > - RESOLVED + Applied - the issue is incorporated in test but not released > - RESOLVED + Fixed - the issue is incorporated in a working draft version > - RESOLVED + Later - the issue is still up for discussion for a future > minor revision but not the current development > - RESOLVED + No Action - considered as no action for any distribution > - RESOLVED + Cannot Reproduce - considered as no action for distribution > - APPLIED + Fixed - the issue is included in a public review (record the > availability of the disposition once review opened) > - DEFERRED - the issue is not in consideration for any minor revision > - please remember to use this when creating new tickets for > backwards-incompatible changes > - see also the discussion on the status workflows here: > https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201709/msg00000.html > > - members please note to discuss ticket issues as comments to the ticket so > that we can audit the discussion when making decisions about the ticket, > without having to find the discussion on the main mail list > > - to find all of the OASIS TC Administration tickets related to UBL, use > the https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=13070 filter > > > NEXT FACE-TO-FACE > > - our next face-to-face meeting is in Zwolle, NL from 13:00CEST October 1, > 2018 until 12:00CEST October 5, 2018 > - note that the following week there is the Exchange Summit conference in > Berlin, Germany ... see http://www.exchange-summit.com > > > TC CONCALL SCHEDULE > > 2018-07-04 UBL Pacific - 19:00MSP/19:00Lima/20:00Ottawa/00:00UTC/10:00Sydney > 2018-07-04 UBL Atlantic - 09:00MSP/09:00Lima/10:00Ottawa/14:00UTC/16:00Europe > 2018-07-18 UBL Pacific - 19:00MSP/19:00Lima/20:00Ottawa/00:00UTC/10:00Sydney > 2018-07-18 UBL Atlantic - 09:00MSP/09:00Lima/10:00Ottawa/14:00UTC/16:00Europe > > Notes regarding teleconference times: > > - meeting times stable now until October: > > https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201802/msg00000.html > > Will anyone be requesting a leave of absence in the near future? 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