RE: [uddi-spec] UDDI TC FTF in JULY now confirmed

["Daniel Feygin" <feygin@unitspace.com>]

Well, I would not propose to have the FTF in Moscow at the risk of
subjecting TC members to inhumane conditions.  While good service in Russia
is not the commodity it is in certain parts of the world and therefore it
generally comes at a cost, it would be unfair to the customs and immigration
authorities to dehumanize them.  Granted they could smile more, but that may
be too much to ask of people who believe the way they do their job is the
norm.  Apparently it's a cultural thing; btw, my experience in Helsinki was
certainly no better, other places in Europe come to mind as well, so I
wouldn't point out anything extraordinary about the way public services work
in Russia.

Waiting time depends on how many flights landed around the time your flight
did.  Same thing happens at JFK or IAD and probably elsewhere.  Recently
they've gotten better at managing that at SVO, dynamically adding "passport
control" (that's what their signs read) personnel as lines grow longer.
They are limited in their maximum capacity though - airport facilities
clearly cannot scale to present requirements.

DME is supposed to be the outlet for future growth in Moscow-area air
traffic, while another SVO terminal is being constructed.  I can't comment
on the 'conditions' there just yet, because I never arrived there, but I
will go through it on my way to Moscow on May 12.  I would advise though
that you follow your preferred airline to whichever airport it uses, rather
than the other way around.

Daniel


-----Original Message-----
From: Max Voskob [mailto:max.voskob@paradise.net.nz]
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 5:13 PM
To: uddi-spec@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [uddi-spec] UDDI TC FTF in JULY now confirmed


Daniel,

The choice of the airport can be influenced by their customs processing.
I heard that SVO is notorious for its inhumane conditions and long waiting
time before you can cross the border.
I experienced it myself a couple of years ago ;)

Is DME any better / worse?

Cheers,
Max

----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Feygin" <feygin@unitspace.com>
To: "Luc Clement" <lclement@windows.microsoft.com>; "Max Voskob"
<max.voskob@paradise.net.nz>; <uddi-spec@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 3:14 AM
Subject: RE: [uddi-spec] UDDI TC FTF in JULY now confirmed


> Luc,
>
> Most "systems" allow you to put in MOW, which is the code covering all of
> the Moscow-area airports.  SVO is home to most international airlines,
while
> Swiss flies into DME (British Airways was also thinking of moving there,
but
> I don't think they moved yet).  VKO and BKA serve domestic flights,
> international charters and other special-purpose needs, which you probably
> don't care for.
>
> If your system does not accept MOW and you have no direct flight to Moscow
> available (I know Luc should have a direct one), then I suggest checking
the
> DME option in addition to SVO.  I used Swiss last week and found the
> experience to be quite pleasing.  They fly into DME from Zurich and
Geneva,
> Zurich being the bigger hub with a number of transatlantic connections.
>
> Daniel
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Luc Clement [mailto:lclement@windows.microsoft.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 9:41 AM
> To: Daniel Feygin; Max Voskob; uddi-spec@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: [uddi-spec] UDDI TC FTF in JULY now confirmed
>
>
> Daniel,
>
> I'm in the process of looking at flight itineraries. What airport should
> we land at? The "system" give me a choice of 4:
>
> BKA  Bykovo Arpt Moscow    Russian Federation
> DME  Domodedovo Arpt Moscow    Russian Federation
> SVO  Sheremetyevo Arpt Moscow    Russian Federation
> VKO  Vnukovo Arpt Moscow    Russian Federation
>
> Thanks,
> Luc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Feygin [mailto:feygin@unitspace.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 16:20
> To: Max Voskob; uddi-spec@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: [uddi-spec] UDDI TC FTF in JULY now confirmed
>
> Group,
>
> I'm glad UnitSpace finally appears set to have the honor of hosting the
> next FTF.
>
> Indeed obtaining an invitation is part of the process of getting to
> Moscow and I cannot help here other than recommending that you get a
> "full visa service", which includes the invitation part of it.  Those of
> you who work for a transnational corporation (IBM, Microsoft, SAP, etc.,
> you know who you
> are) can most likely obtain an invitation through your company's Russian
> subsidiary.
>
> Visatorussia.com is a legitimate company I've done business with.  The
> only reason I did not mention them in my earlier email on the subject
> was because they do not accept credit cards (or they did not a couple of
> years ago when I worked with them).  By all other criteria, including
> location (both are in Atlanta), visatorussia.com is just like
> gotorussia.com, which I did mention.
> In analyzing the two visas issued to me at different times with the help
> of visatorussia.com and gotorussia.com I had once come to a conclusion
> that they are partners whereby one gets all the visas for both of them.
> I do not know if this is still the case though or if some other form of
> integration was at work.
>
> You can see a list of travel agencies handling Russian visas throughout
> the world at http://www.visatorussia.com/russianvisa.nsf/agents.html.
> Curiously gotorussia.com is also listed on this visatorussia.com's page.
>
> Daniel
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Max Voskob [mailto:max.voskob@paradise.net.nz]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 5:15 PM
> To: uddi-spec@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [uddi-spec] UDDI TC FTF in JULY now confirmed
>
>
> Guys,
>
> To get a visa you need a special invitation. I'm not sure if Daniel will
> provide them.
> You can buy them online from
> http://www.visatorussia.com/russianvisa.nsf/tourist_visa_support.html
> I haven't used their services myself, but they don't look like
> fraudsters ;)
>
> DISCLAIMER: don't blame me if they runaway with your $$$ :))) I gonna
> try them myself later when the dates are firm.
>
> Cheers,
> Max
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Bellwood" <bellwood@us.ibm.com>
> To: <uddi-spec@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 8:49 AM
> Subject: [uddi-spec] UDDI TC FTF in JULY now confirmed
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Based on the results of the recent poll, together with input from
> > others I've gotten off-line, it appears that while not optimal, we do
> > have enough representation to conduct a productive FTF in Moscow on
> > July 22-24
> (Tu-Th).
> > We will discuss the particulars further at the next Telecon, but
> > Daniel
> has
> > already posted on the VISA requirements, so I would advise you to
> > begin
> the
> > process of getting your travel arrangements in place.  I see this
> > being a full 3 day meeting, with much time being devoted to working on
>
> > sorting through the V4 requirements and beginning the design work
> > necessary to address them.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tom Bellwood       Phone:  (512) 838-9957 (external);   TL:  678/9957
> > (internal)
> > Co-Chair, OASIS UDDI Specification TC
> >
> >
>
>
>
>