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Subject: Re: [uddi-spec] WS-Policy


A more accurate quote of what I said was, "We [Burton Group] are
confident that WS-Policy will be in a standards organization by the
end of the year."

Anne

On 7/26/05, Oleg Mikulinsky <oleg.mikulinsky@weblayers.com> wrote:
>  
> 
> According to this article:
> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2005/071405-ws.html.
> 
> "In September, the pair (Microsoft, IBM) will submit WS-Trust,
> WS-SecureConversation and WS-SecurityPolicy to the Organization for the
> Advancement of Structured Information Standards (OASIS),
> 
> Two significant protocols still remain to be turned over, WS-Federation and
> WS-Policy.
> Microsoft and IBM say that will happen but have yet to provide a timetable.
> The two have been under significant pressure from end users and industry
> experts to submit the remaining specifications to help quicken the pace of
> standardizing the infrastructure for securing Web services.
> WS-Policy appears to be the next protocol that will be submitted. Last
> October, IBM and Microsoft presented a workshop on WS-Policy to the W3C. The
> prime motivating factor, however, is that Microsoft relies on WS-Policy for
> its InfoCard technology.
> 
> And while Microsoft is preaching that InfoCard, which is approaching its
> first beta release this fall, will be a standards-based system, WS-Policy
> remains the only significant protocol that is not in a standards body.
> 
> "WS-Policy will be in a standards organization by the end of the year," says
> Anne Thomas Manes, research director for the Burton Group. Microsoft
> officials would not comment on plans for WS-Policy."
> 
>  
> 
>  ________________________________
>  
> 
>  
> 
> I think having an open letter from UDDI TC to the WS-Policy framework
> authors signed by many TC members is an excellent idea. Let's keep the
> pressure up!. 
> 
> +1
> 
> Regards,
> Oleg.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Wu [mailto:alan.wu@oracle.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 5:49 PM
> To: uddi-spec@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [uddi-spec] WS-Policy
> 
> Thanks very much, Claus!
> 
> Zhe
> 
> Miko Matsumura wrote:
> 
> >+1, thanks Claus
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: von Riegen, Claus [mailto:claus.von.riegen@sap.com]
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 2:15 PM
> >To: dave.prout@bt.com; uddi-spec@lists.oasis-open.org
> >Subject: RE: [uddi-spec] WS-Policy
> >
> >Provided that there is no disagreement, I can take this as a formal
> >action item and forward it to the WS-Policy authors' team if you like.
> >
> >Thanks,
> > Claus
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: dave.prout@bt.com [mailto:dave.prout@bt.com]
> >Sent: Dienstag, 26. Juli 2005 17:13
> >To: uddi-spec@lists.oasis-open.org
> >Subject: RE: [uddi-spec] WS-Policy
> >
> > All,
> >
> >Did we agree that the TC should write to the authors of the WS-Policy
> >spec urging them to get it into a standards body ? I know many others
> >have probably done this, but I believe we should do it anyway.
> >
> >Does anybody disagree ?
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Dave
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: von Riegen, Claus [mailto:claus.von.riegen@sap.com]
> >Sent: 26 July 2005 20:12
> >To: Pete Wenzel; uddi-spec@lists.oasis-open.org
> >Subject: RE: [uddi-spec] WS-Policy
> >
> >Pete,
> >
> >As far as the OASIS WS-RX TC is concerned, the charter clearly states
> >that WS-ReliableMessagingPolicy (which is based on WS-Policy) is in
> >scope and that the TC will work on it. Only if at the time the WS-RX TC
> >moves to ratify its deliverables WS-Policy is "outside of a
> >standardization process", normative references to WS-Policy will be
> >removed.
> >
> >The OASIS UDDI TC can similarly decide to develop material that
> >references WS-Policy and not ratifying these deliverables as long as
> >WS-Policy is outside of a standardization process.
> >
> >Claus
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Pete Wenzel [mailto:pete@seebeyond.com]
> >Sent: Dienstag, 26. Juli 2005 02:34
> >To: uddi-spec@lists.oasis-open.org
> >Subject: [uddi-spec] WS-Policy
> >
> >UDDI Spec TC folks,
> >
> >While I realize the eventual need for a policy expression language and
> >framework, I have definite misgivings with respect to adoption of WS-
> >Policy, which to my knowledge is not under the control of any sort of
> >standards organization.
> >
> >Ignoring possibly significant IPR issues for the moment, my technical
> >concerns include potential lack of stability, maturity/vetting, and
> >consensus-driven development and change-control accountability.
> >
> >Other TCs have agreed that it is not appropriate to reference WS-
> >Policy, and are content to describe the required functionality in an
> >abstract manner, while building in extention points for use when a
> >suitable standards-track framework becomes available.  Following are
> >excerpts from WS-Notification, WS-ReliableExchange and WS-Security TC
> >documents that illustrate this.  Perhaps there are other examples.
> >
> >I note that the authors of WS-SecurityPolicy have preannounced its
> >contribution to OASIS, as reported in
> > 
> http://www.infoworld.com/article/05/07/15/HNwsibm_1.html
> >but that depends directly on WS-Policy, so it doesn't seem to alleviate
> >any of these concerns.
> >
> >Is this an accurate assessment of the situation?  What do others think?
> >
> >--Pete
> >
> >  WS-BaseNotification:
> >
> >  wsnt:SubscriptionPolicy
> >  This optional component is an open component intended to be used in 
> > an application specific way to specify policy related 
> > requirements/assertions associated with the subscribe requests. This 
> > mechanism could be used to govern the message rate (e.g.  maximum 3 
> > messages per second), reliability of the Notification delivery, etc.
> >  The semantics of how the NotificationProducer MUST or MAY react to 
> > the policy requirements and assertions appearing in this component 
> > are specific to the actual policy grammar used.  If this component  is
> > not specified in the Subscribe request message, then the 
> > NotificationProducer SHOULD use other means (such as directly 
> > contacting the NotificationConsumer) to resolve any policy-related 
> > inquiries.
> >
> >  NotificationProducer MAY choose to communicate its caching policy by 
> > some means not specified in this document, such as using a policy 
> > assertion.
> >
> >  NotificationProducers MAY advertise their behavior in this situation 
> > via policy assertions. In the absence of a specific policy  assertion,
> > Subscribers SHOULD NOT assume any particular behavior on  the part of
> > the NotificationProducer.
> >
> >  WS-BrokeredNotification:
> >
> >  NotificationBrokers SHOULD advertise, whether through policy 
> > assertions or other means, what security measures they take.
> >
> >  WS-ReliableExchange TC Charter:
> >
> >  If an above specification [including WS-Policy] is outside of  a
> > standardization process at the time this TC moves to ratify its 
> > deliverables, or is not far enough along in the standardization 
> > process, any normative references to it in the TC output will be 
> > expressed in an abstract manner, and the incarnation will be left at 
> > that time as an exercise in interoperability.
> >
> >  WS-Security 2004:
> >  The following topics are outside the scope of this document:
> >  ...
> >  Advertisement and exchange of security policy.
> >
> >--Pete
> >Pete Wenzel <pete@seebeyond.com>
> >Senior Architect, SeeBeyond
> >Standards & Product Strategy
> >+1-626-471-6311 (US-Pacific)
> >
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