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Subject: Re: ... Ontology Forum project - Quantity and Unit of Measure

No problem, and not necessarily a box with bad things in it.  Attempts
to round up bunches of standards into coherence can be a very good
thing, as long as they're done inclusively and well.  We have
excellent relations with Ontolog, who of course evolved originally
from a discussion group in our own UBL community.

Without getting into a complex chat, they *are* the sort of structured
informal activity which generally *can* lead to production of
consensus and artifacts that transition nicely, later, into more
formal standardization.  I also received this note, which came out of
meetings ending in Geneva last night, and we'll share it with some
other stakeholders as well.  One of our principal ones, the OASIS
UnitsML TC, is copied here.

Kind regards  Jamie

~ James Bryce Clark
~ General Counsel, OASIS
~ http://www.oasis-open.org/who/staff.php#clark

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Duane Nickull <dnickull@adobe.com> wrote:
> And sorry for volunteering you again Jamie ;-p
> My thoughts:
> We need to clarify if there are any shortcomings in the Ontolog Forum’s
> stature WRT it’s work having formal standing in other SDO’s or the MoU.
>  Additionally, the process for which deliverables are defined and delivered
> should possibly be examined to determine things such as ownership, IPR
> policy etc.
> Yes – Pandora’s box etc... Sorry for opening it.
> Duane
> On 10/14/09 10:23 AM, "Peter Yim" <peter.yim@cim3.com> wrote:
> Thank you, Duane.
> I agree this is important (and hence my immediate reply) ...
> ... unfortunately, I have a meeting in 9 minutes which I am preparing
> for (and I need time to put together a response). Therefore, please
> allow me to get back to you (and everyone else on this routing) later
> today or tomorrow, on some of my personal thoughts on the topic.
> All: feel free to weight in in the mean time.
> Thanks & regards.  =ppy
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Duane Nickull <dnickull@adobe.com> wrote:
>> FYI – (below) Ontolog being discussed at the eBusiness MoU group.  This
>> brings up the question of whether the Ontolog forum may wish to approach the
>> MoU and as what type of organization.  It might be a good idea to clarify
>> exactly what the Ontolog Forum is both within the group as well as making an
>> external statement.  Such a statement should quantify whether the Ontolog
>> Forum is a legal entity, what it’s formal name is, who owns it, IP rights of
>> anyone participating, where it has standing, what it’s IPR policy is, etc
>> and other details that are relevant to the world’s other SDO’s.  I know a
>> lot of this is on the wiki site.
>> I can also probably ask Jamie Clark (legal beagle behind OASIS) to
>> possibly attend a meeting to provide advice if required.  He participates in the
>> MoU.
>> Peter – if you see that this is important (as I do), I’d like to suggest a
>> special meeting to discuss with several key stakeholders.  I’d like to
>> participate and believe it is required.
>> Duane
>> --
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>> ------ Forwarded Message
>> From: "Mason, Howard (UK)" <Howard.Mason@baesystems.com>
>> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:58:39 -0700
>> Subject: MoU/MG: Ontology Forum project - Quantity and Unit of Measure
>> Ontology-based Standard
>> As we discussed at the MoU/MG meeting yesterday, the home page for the
>> initiative, which forms one of a series of initiatives to apply
>> ontological principles to standards, can be found at
>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UoM_Ontology_Standard#nid1ZNL
>> The aim is to develop an ontology, based on a number of available
>> standards from ISO TC 25, IEC TC 12, and other initiatives such as UCUM,
>> UnitsML and Sweet.
>> Participation is open to all, and it is planned to hold a meeting in
>> Washington on 30 October.
>> You might want to add additional reference material at the UoM pages
>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UoM - you will have to create an
>> account to edit the pages ( or send me the information and I will add it)
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