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Subject: Re: [virtio-dev] [PATCH 0/2] introduce virtio-ism: internal shared memory device


On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 4:21 PM Dust Li <dust.li@linux.alibaba.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 04:03:42PM +0800, Gerry wrote:
> >
> >
> >> 2022å10æ19æ 16:01ïJason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> åéï
> >>
> >> On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 3:00 PM Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 18 Oct 2022 14:54:22 +0800, Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 8:31 PM Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 16:17:31 +0800, Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Adding Stefan.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 3:47 PM Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hello everyone,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> # Background
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Nowadays, there is a common scenario to accelerate communication between
> >>>>>>> different VMs and containers, including light weight virtual machine based
> >>>>>>> containers. One way to achieve this is to colocate them on the same host.
> >>>>>>> However, the performance of inter-VM communication through network stack is not
> >>>>>>> optimal and may also waste extra CPU cycles. This scenario has been discussed
> >>>>>>> many times, but still no generic solution available [1] [2] [3].
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> With pci-ivshmem + SMC(Shared Memory Communications: [4]) based PoC[5],
> >>>>>>> We found that by changing the communication channel between VMs from TCP to SMC
> >>>>>>> with shared memory, we can achieve superior performance for a common
> >>>>>>> socket-based application[5]:
> >>>>>>>  - latency reduced by about 50%
> >>>>>>>  - throughput increased by about 300%
> >>>>>>>  - CPU consumption reduced by about 50%
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Since there is no particularly suitable shared memory management solution
> >>>>>>> matches the need for SMC(See ## Comparison with existing technology), and virtio
> >>>>>>> is the standard for communication in the virtualization world, we want to
> >>>>>>> implement a virtio-ism device based on virtio, which can support on-demand
> >>>>>>> memory sharing across VMs, containers or VM-container. To match the needs of SMC,
> >>>>>>> the virtio-ism device need to support:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 1. Dynamic provision: shared memory regions are dynamically allocated and
> >>>>>>>   provisioned.
> >>>>>>> 2. Multi-region management: the shared memory is divided into regions,
> >>>>>>>   and a peer may allocate one or more regions from the same shared memory
> >>>>>>>   device.
> >>>>>>> 3. Permission control: The permission of each region can be set seperately.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Looks like virtio-ROCE
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20220511095900.343-1-xieyongji@bytedance.com/T/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> and virtio-vhost-user can satisfy the requirement?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> # Virtio ism device
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ISM devices provide the ability to share memory between different guests on a
> >>>>>>> host. A guest's memory got from ism device can be shared with multiple peers at
> >>>>>>> the same time. This shared relationship can be dynamically created and released.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The shared memory obtained from the device is divided into multiple ism regions
> >>>>>>> for share. ISM device provides a mechanism to notify other ism region referrers
> >>>>>>> of content update events.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> # Usage (SMC as example)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Maybe there is one of possible use cases:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 1. SMC calls the interface ism_alloc_region() of the ism driver to return the
> >>>>>>>   location of a memory region in the PCI space and a token.
> >>>>>>> 2. The ism driver mmap the memory region and return to SMC with the token
> >>>>>>> 3. SMC passes the token to the connected peer
> >>>>>>> 3. the peer calls the ism driver interface ism_attach_region(token) to
> >>>>>>>   get the location of the PCI space of the shared memory
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> # About hot plugging of the ism device
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>   Hot plugging of devices is a heavier, possibly failed, time-consuming, and
> >>>>>>>   less scalable operation. So, we don't plan to support it for now.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> # Comparison with existing technology
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ## ivshmem or ivshmem 2.0 of Qemu
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>   1. ivshmem 1.0 is a large piece of memory that can be seen by all devices that
> >>>>>>>   use this VM, so the security is not enough.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>   2. ivshmem 2.0 is a shared memory belonging to a VM that can be read-only by all
> >>>>>>>   other VMs that use the ivshmem 2.0 shared memory device, which also does not
> >>>>>>>   meet our needs in terms of security.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ## vhost-pci and virtiovhostuser
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>   Does not support dynamic allocation and therefore not suitable for SMC.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think this is an implementation issue, we can support VHOST IOTLB
> >>>>>> message then the regions could be added/removed on demand.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. After the attacker connects with the victim, if the attacker does not
> >>>>>   dereference memory, the memory will be occupied under virtiovhostuser. In the
> >>>>>   case of ism devices, the victim can directly release the reference, and the
> >>>>>   maliciously referenced region only occupies the attacker's resources
> >>>>
> >>>> Let's define the security boundary here. E.g do we trust the device or
> >>>> not? If yes, in the case of virtiovhostuser, can we simple do
> >>>> VHOST_IOTLB_UNMAP then we can safely release the memory from the
> >>>> attacker.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2. The ism device of a VM can be shared with multiple (1000+) VMs at the same
> >>>>>   time, which is a challenge for virtiovhostuser
> >>>>
> >>>> Please elaborate more the the challenges, anything make
> >>>> virtiovhostuser different?
> >>>
> >>> I understand (please point out any mistakes), one vvu device corresponds to one
> >>> vm. If we share memory with 1000 vm, do we have 1000 vvu devices?
> >>
> >> There could be some misunderstanding here. With 1000 VM, you still
> >> need 1000 virtio-sim devices I think.
> >We are trying to achieve one virtio-ism device per vm instead of one virtio-ism device per SMC connection.

I wonder if we need something to identify a virtio-ism device since I
guess there's still a chance to have multiple virtio-ism device per VM
(different service chain etc).

Thanks

>
> I think we must achieve this if we want to meet the requirements of SMC.
> In SMC, a SMC socket(Corresponding to a TCP socket) need 2 memory
> regions(1 for Tx and 1 for Rx). So if we have 1K TCP connections,
> we'll need 2K share memory regions, and those memory regions are
> dynamically allocated and freed with the TCP socket.
>
> >
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 3. The sharing relationship of ism is dynamically increased, and virtiovhostuser
> >>>>>   determines the sharing relationship at startup.
> >>>>
> >>>> Not necessarily with IOTLB API?
> >>>
> >>> Unlike virtio-vhost-user, which shares the memory of a vm with another vm, we
> >>> provide the same memory on the host to two vms. So the implementation of this
> >>> part will be much simpler. This is why we gave up virtio-vhost-user at the
> >>> beginning.
> >>
> >> Ok, just to make sure we're at the same page. From spec level,
> >> virtio-vhost-user doesn't (can't) limit the backend to be implemented
> >> in another VM. So it should be ok to be used for sharing memory
> >> between a guest and host.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 4. For security issues, the device under virtiovhostuser may mmap more memory,
> >>>>>   while ism only maps one region to other devices
> >>>>
> >>>> With VHOST_IOTLB_MAP, the map could be done per region.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> # Design
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>   This is a structure diagram based on ism sharing between two vms.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>    |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
> >>>>>>>    | |------------------------------------------------|       |------------------------------------------------| |
> >>>>>>>    | | Guest                                          |       | Guest                                          | |
> >>>>>>>    | |                                                |       |                                                | |
> >>>>>>>    | |   ----------------                             |       |   ----------------                             | |
> >>>>>>>    | |   |    driver    |     [M1]   [M2]   [M3]      |       |   |    driver    |             [M2]   [M3]     | |
> >>>>>>>    | |   ----------------       |      |      |       |       |   ----------------               |      |      | |
> >>>>>>>    | |    |cq|                  |map   |map   |map    |       |    |cq|                          |map   |map   | |
> >>>>>>>    | |    |  |                  |      |      |       |       |    |  |                          |      |      | |
> >>>>>>>    | |    |  |                -------------------     |       |    |  |                --------------------    | |
> >>>>>>>    | |----|--|----------------|  device memory  |-----|       |----|--|----------------|  device memory   |----| |
> >>>>>>>    | |    |  |                -------------------     |       |    |  |                --------------------    | |
> >>>>>>>    | |                                |               |       |                               |                | |
> >>>>>>>    | |                                |               |       |                               |                | |
> >>>>>>>    | | Qemu                           |               |       | Qemu                          |                | |
> >>>>>>>    | |--------------------------------+---------------|       |-------------------------------+----------------| |
> >>>>>>>    |                                  |                                                       |                  |
> >>>>>>>    |                                  |                                                       |                  |
> >>>>>>>    |                                  |------------------------------+------------------------|                  |
> >>>>>>>    |                                                                 |                                           |
> >>>>>>>    |                                                                 |                                           |
> >>>>>>>    |                                                   --------------------------                                |
> >>>>>>>    |                                                    | M1 |   | M2 |   | M3 |                                 |
> >>>>>>>    |                                                   --------------------------                                |
> >>>>>>>    |                                                                                                             |
> >>>>>>>    | HOST                                                                                                        |
> >>>>>>>    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> # POC code
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>   Kernel: https://github.com/fengidri/linux-kernel-virtio-ism/commits/ism
> >>>>>>>   Qemu:   https://github.com/fengidri/qemu/commits/ism
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If there are any problems, please point them out.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hope to hear from you, thank you.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [1] https://projectacrn.github.io/latest/tutorials/enable_ivshmem.html
> >>>>>>> [2] https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/2847562
> >>>>>>> [3] https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-00368622/document
> >>>>>>> [4] https://lwn.net/Articles/711071/
> >>>>>>> [5] https://lore.kernel.org/netdev/20220720170048.20806-1-tonylu@linux.alibaba.com/T/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Xuan Zhuo (2):
> >>>>>>>  Reserve device id for ISM device
> >>>>>>>  virtio-ism: introduce new device virtio-ism
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> content.tex    |   3 +
> >>>>>>> virtio-ism.tex | 340 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>>>> 2 files changed, 343 insertions(+)
> >>>>>>> create mode 100644 virtio-ism.tex
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> 2.32.0.3.g01195cf9f
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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