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Subject: Re: [virtio] CORRECTION: 15-day Public Review for Virtual I/O Device (VIRTIO) Version 1.0 - ends January 26th


On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 02:34:20PM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 04:35:01PM -0500, Chet Ensign wrote:
> > I will talk with staff about that. It isn't standard practice so I want to
> > think carefully about adding it into the stream of published links.
> > 
> > I see that you have it listed on the main TC page so that is one consistent
> > place where people look. 
> > 
> > In any case, I'll get back to you on this. 
> > 
> > /chet
> 
> 
> Any update on this?
> 
> Thanks,
>     MST


Could you update please?
We need to start work on the next version, and need to
know how it will be numbered.

> > 
> > On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> > 
> >     On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 11:05:28AM -0500, Chet Ensign wrote:
> >     > > But can something be done for existing spec until we release CS04?
> >     >
> >     > Not now, no. We don't go back and change content once published on
> >     > docs.oasis-open.org. That would be effectively changing history and we
> >     feel it
> >     > is critical to our large communities of developers, implementers and
> >     users that
> >     > once a spec is published it will not change. 
> > 
> >     Oh well. Any chance you can maintain unversioned latest links, e.g.
> >          http://docs.oasis-open.org/virtio/virtio/latest/final/
> >     virtio-latest.html
> >          http://docs.oasis-open.org/virtio/virtio/latest/final/
> >     virtio-latest.pdf
> >     ?
> > 
> >     > On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
> >     wrote:
> >     >
> >     >     On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:16:10AM -0500, Chet Ensign wrote:
> >     >     > Hi Michael, 
> >     >     >
> >     >     > Well, I can see the confusion you mention. In your case, at least
> >     the
> >     >     CS03 is
> >     >     > visible there as the Previous version. And generally speaking, we
> >     don't
> >     >     usually
> >     >     > have a situation like VIRTIO where a CS goes back into production
> >     as a
> >     >     draft
> >     >     > and winds up approved as a new CS. So this situation is uncommon. 
> >     >     >
> >     >     > That said, if Latest version pointed to CS03, how would anyone know
> >     that
> >     >     work
> >     >     > was continuing under a new CSD? Potential for confusion there as
> >     well. 
> >     >     >
> >     >     > Our procedure is to use Latest version to point to whatever the
> >     most
> >     >     current
> >     >     > stage of the evolution of the specification has reached. That way,
> >     >     someone who
> >     >     > happens to have a local copy of CS02 for example, and the spec is
> >     now a
> >     >     > Candidate OASIS Standard, will get that most current incarnation of
> >     the
> >     >     spec
> >     >     > when the ask for the Latest version. 
> >     >     >
> >     >     > One way to solve this though would be, under Related work, to
> >     indicate
> >     >     that 
> >     >     >
> >     >     > "This specification updates: 
> >     >     > Virtual I/O Device (VIRTIO) Version 1.0. Edited by Rusty Russell,
> >     Michael
> >     >     S.
> >     >     > Tsirkin, Cornelia Huck, and Pawel Moll. 02 August 2015. OASIS
> >     Committee
> >     >     > Specification 03. http://docs.oasis-open.org/virtio/virtio/v1.0/
> >     cs03/
> >     >     > virtio-v1.0-cs03.html."
> >     >
> >     >     Our next version will likely be CS04 so it won't be a problem then.
> >     >     But can something be done for existing spec until we release CS04?
> >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     > So that way it would be made clear on page 1 of the spec. That's
> >     probably
> >     >     a
> >     >     > good idea for the cases like this where a CSPRD has followed an
> >     OASIS
> >     >     > deliverable. 
> >     >     >
> >     >     > What do you think? 
> >     >     >
> >     >     > /chet
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >     What I *really* think is that we would like to have a non-versioned
> >     >     latest final deliverable link:
> >     >     http://docs.oasis-open.org/virtio/virtio/latest/final/
> >     virtio-latest.html
> >     >     http://docs.oasis-open.org/virtio/virtio/latest/final/
> >     virtio-latest.pdf
> >     >
> >     >     Then we could stop releasing new CS versions after CS04, and
> >     increment
> >     >     the version number instead.
> >     >
> >     >     As it is we are forced to release CS versions, otherwise people
> >     >     following "latest" link in the document won't find the latest spec.
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     > On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 4:16 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com
> >     >
> >     >     wrote:
> >     >     >
> >     >     >     Hi Chet,
> >     >     >     I noticed that the latest versions:
> >     >     >     http://docs.oasis-open.org/virtio/virtio/v1.0/virtio-v1.0.html
> >     >     >     http://docs.oasis-open.org/virtio/virtio/v1.0/virtio-v1.0.pdf
> >     >     >     Have been replaced with the csprd05 version as well.
> >     >     >
> >     >     >     This seems to confuse people: they arrive
> >     >     >     at the latest version link, see that it's a draft,
> >     >     >     and assume that no final deliverable has been
> >     >     >     created yet.
> >     >     >
> >     >     >     I think that virtio-1.0 should point at CS03,
> >     >     >     don't you agree?
> >     >     >
> >     >     >     On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 09:49:01AM -0500, Chet Ensign wrote:
> >     >     >     > In last nights announcement of the public review for Virtual
> >     I/O
> >     >     Device
> >     >     >     > (VIRTIO) Version 1.0, I stated that "This public review draft
> >     makes
> >     >     >     changes to
> >     >     >     > Committee Specification 03. The changes are tracking in the
> >     >     red-line file
> >     >     >     at 
> >     >     >     > http://docs.oasis-open.org/virtio/virtio/v1.0/cs03/
> >     >     >     virtio-v1.0-cs03-diff.html."
> >     >     >     > The correction location for the red-line file is http://
> >     >     >     docs.oasis-open.org/
> >     >     >     > virtio/virtio/v1.0/csprd05/virtio-v1.0-csprd05-diff.html. My
> >     >     apologies to
> >     >     >     all
> >     >     >     > for the error. 
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     > Best, 
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     > /chet
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 8:28 PM, Chet Ensign <
> >     >     chet.ensign@oasis-open.org>
> >     >     >     > wrote:
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     OASIS members and other interested parties, 
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     The OASIS Virtual I/O Device (VIRTIO) TC members [1] have
> >     >     produced an
> >     >     >     >     updated Committee Specification Draft (CSD) and submitted
> >     this
> >     >     >     >     specification for 15-day public review:
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     Virtual I/O Device (VIRTIO) Version 1.0
> >     >     >     >     Committee Specification Draft 05 / Public Review Draft 05
> >     >     >     >     29 October 2015 
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     Specification Overview:
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     This document describes the specifications of the
> >     "virtio"
> >     >     family of
> >     >     >     >     devices. These devices are found in virtual environments,
> >     yet
> >     >     by
> >     >     >     design
> >     >     >     >     they are not all that different from physical devices,
> >     and this
> >     >     >     document
> >     >     >     >     treats them as such. This allows the guest to use
> >     standard
> >     >     drivers
> >     >     >     and
> >     >     >     >     discovery mechanisms.
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     The purpose of virtio and this specification is that
> >     virtual
> >     >     >     environments
> >     >     >     >     and guests should have a straightforward, efficient,
> >     standard
> >     >     and
> >     >     >     >     extensible mechanism for virtual devices, rather than
> >     boutique
> >     >     >     >     per-environment or per-OS mechanisms.
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     Public Review Period:
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     The public review starts 12 January 2016 at 00:00 UTC and
> >     ends
> >     >     26
> >     >     >     January
> >     >     >     >     2016 at 11:59 UTC. This public review draft makes changes
> >     to
> >     >     >     Committee
> >     >     >     >     Specification 03. The changes are tracking in the
> >     red-line file
> >     >     at
> >     >     >     http://
> >     >     >     >     docs.oasis-open.org/virtio/virtio/v1.0/cs03/
> >     >     >     virtio-v1.0-cs03-diff.html.  
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     This is an open invitation to comment. OASIS solicits
> >     feedback
> >     >     from
> >     >     >     >     potential users, developers and others, whether OASIS
> >     members
> >     >     or not,
> >     >     >     for
> >     >     >     >     the sake of improving the interoperability and quality of
> >     its
> >     >     >     technical
> >     >     >     >     work.
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     URIs:
> >     >     >     >     The prose specification document and related files are
> >     >     available
> >     >     >     here:
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     Editable source (Authoritative):
> >     >     >     >     http://docs.oasis-open.org/virtio/virtio/v1.0/csprd05/tex
> >     /
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     HTML: 
> >     >     >     >     http://docs.oasis-open.org/virtio/virtio/v1.0/csprd05/
> >     >     >     >     virtio-v1.0-csprd05.html 
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     PDF: 
> >     >     >     >     http://docs.oasis-open.org/virtio/virtio/v1.0/csprd05/
> >     >     >     >     virtio-v1.0-csprd05.pdf
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     Example Driver Listing: 
> >     >     >     >     http://docs.oasis-open.org/virtio/virtio/v1.0/csprd05/
> >     listings/
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     ZIP distribution files (complete):
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     For your convenience, OASIS provides a complete package
> >     of the
> >     >     prose
> >     >     >     >     specification and related files in a ZIP distribution
> >     file. You
> >     >     can
> >     >     >     >     download the ZIP file here:
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     http://docs.oasis-open.org/virtio/virtio/v1.0/csprd05/
> >     >     >     >     virtio-v1.0-csprd05.zip
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     Additional information about this specification and the
> >     VIRTIO
> >     >     TC may
> >     >     >     be
> >     >     >     >     found on the TC's public home page located at:
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/virtio/
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     Comments may be submitted to the TC by any person through
> >     the
> >     >     use of
> >     >     >     the
> >     >     >     >     OASIS TC Comment Facility which can be accessed via the
> >     button
> >     >     >     labeled
> >     >     >     >     "Send A Comment" at the top of the TC public home page,
> >     or
> >     >     directly
> >     >     >     at:
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/comments/form.php?
> >     >     wg_abbrev=
> >     >     >     virtio
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     Feedback submitted by TC non-members for this work and
> >     for
> >     >     other work
> >     >     >     of
> >     >     >     >     this TC is publicly archived and can be viewed at:
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/virtio-comment/
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     All comments submitted to OASIS are subject to the OASIS
> >     >     Feedback
> >     >     >     License,
> >     >     >     >     which ensures that the feedback you provide carries the
> >     same
> >     >     >     obligations at
> >     >     >     >     least as the obligations of the TC members. In connection
> >     with
> >     >     this
> >     >     >     public
> >     >     >     >     review of 'Virtual I/O Device (VIRTIO) Version 1.0', we
> >     call
> >     >     your
> >     >     >     attention
> >     >     >     >     to the OASIS IPR Policy [2] applicable especially [3] to
> >     the
> >     >     work of
> >     >     >     this
> >     >     >     >     technical committee. All members of the TC should be
> >     familiar
> >     >     with
> >     >     >     this
> >     >     >     >     document, which may create obligations regarding the
> >     disclosure
> >     >     and
> >     >     >     >     availability of a member's patent, copyright, trademark
> >     and
> >     >     license
> >     >     >     rights
> >     >     >     >     that read on an approved OASIS specification. 
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     OASIS invites any persons who know of any such claims to
> >     >     disclose
> >     >     >     these if
> >     >     >     >     they may be essential to the implementation of the above
> >     >     >     specification, so
> >     >     >     >     that notice of them may be posted to the notice page for
> >     this
> >     >     TC's
> >     >     >     work.
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     ========== Additional references:
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     [1] OASIS Virtual I/O Device (VIRTIO) TC 
> >     >     >     >     http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/virtio/
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     [2] http://www.oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/ipr
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     [3] http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/virtio/ipr.php
> >     >     >     >     https://www.oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/ipr#
> >     >     licensing_req
> >     >     >     >     Non-Assertion Mode
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     --
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     /chet 
> >     >     >     >     ----------------
> >     >     >     >     Chet Ensign
> >     >     >     >     Director of Standards Development and TC Administration 
> >     >     >     >     OASIS: Advancing open standards for the information
> >     society
> >     >     >     >     http://www.oasis-open.org
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >     Primary: +1 973-996-2298
> >     >     >     >     Mobile: +1 201-341-1393 
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     > --
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     > /chet 
> >     >     >     > ----------------
> >     >     >     > Chet Ensign
> >     >     >     > Director of Standards Development and TC Administration 
> >     >     >     > OASIS: Advancing open standards for the information society
> >     >     >     > http://www.oasis-open.org
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     > Primary: +1 973-996-2298
> >     >     >     > Mobile: +1 201-341-1393 
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     > --
> >     >     >
> >     >     > /chet 
> >     >     > ----------------
> >     >     > Chet Ensign
> >     >     > Director of Standards Development and TC Administration 
> >     >     > OASIS: Advancing open standards for the information society
> >     >     > http://www.oasis-open.org
> >     >     >
> >     >     > Primary: +1 973-996-2298
> >     >     > Mobile: +1 201-341-1393 
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > --
> >     >
> >     > /chet 
> >     > ----------------
> >     > Chet Ensign
> >     > Director of Standards Development and TC Administration 
> >     > OASIS: Advancing open standards for the information society
> >     > http://www.oasis-open.org
> >     >
> >     > Primary: +1 973-996-2298
> >     > Mobile: +1 201-341-1393 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > /chet 
> > ----------------
> > Chet Ensign
> > Director of Standards Development and TC Administration 
> > OASIS: Advancing open standards for the information society
> > http://www.oasis-open.org
> > 
> > Primary: +1 973-996-2298
> > Mobile: +1 201-341-1393 


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