RE: TC visibility section question

[Karl Best <karl.best@oasis-open.org>]

We've got three classes of people: TC members who can post and receive;
OASIS members who are not TC members, who can receive but not post; and
non-OASIS members who can only view archives and post comments. To serve
these three classes we have only two lists, discussion and comment.

While it is technically possible to accomodate the first two sets of people
with the single discussion list (I have to designate which subscribers are
allowed to post), this requires additional handwork to maintain.

The alternative, I guess, is to have three lists for each TC, which may not
be much better. Another alternative is to eliminate the second class of
people, OASIS members who are not TC members. They could just read the
archives like everyone else.

Regardless, the non-OASIS members need to be kicked off the lists.

</karl>
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Karl F. Best
OASIS - Director, Technical Operations
978.667.5115 x206
karl.best@oasis-open.org  http://www.oasis-open.org


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robin Cover [mailto:robin@isogen.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 1:57 PM
> To: Karl Best
> Cc: workprocess@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: re: TC visibility section question
>
>
> Re:
>
> > I will need to work with the various TC chairs to determine who
> > the actual TC members are, and kick everyone else off the lists.
>
> Hmmm... am I missing something? I thought it was our intent that
> anyone could subscribe to the mailing lists.  For example:
>
> ------- OASIS web site, overview...
>
> 9. TC Visibility
> Every PEOTCP shall be able to subscribe to the
> general mailing list of any TC, but only members of
> that TC shall be able to post to it. The minutes of
> each TC meeting shall be published to that TC's general list.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------
>
> I'm sympathetic to the problem of "a lot of work," but I can
> see several downside results from disallowing subscription;
> on my casual reading, I don't see how it's allowed by the
> bylaws.  Or...
>
> Robin
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Karl Best wrote:
>
> > Given the limitations of the mail service that we are using, I
> don't have an
> > easy way to allow only a certain subset of subscribers to post
> to a list.
> > The choices I have available are a) only subscribers may post
> to the list,
> > and b) anyone can post. (There *is* an option to only allow a subset of
> > subscribers to post, but maintaining that separate list takes a lot of
> > work.) What I need to enforce is that only full-fledged TC members are
> > subscribed to the TC discussion list. Non-TC-members, which may include
> > OASIS members, may not be subscribed to the discussion list,
> but must avail
> > themselves of the list archives and the comment list to participate.
> >
> > Given this, I will need to work with the various TC chairs to
> determine who
> > the actual TC members are, and kick everyone else off the lists. In some
> > cases, e.g. DSML, a majority of list subscribers, including
> some of the most
> > active participants, are non-members, and this will cause a considerable
> > disruption to the committee work. But we've either got to a)
> bite the bullet
> > and do it officially, or b) relax the rules and say that anyone can
> > participate in the discussions but only members can vote.
> >
> > I suspect that taking the hard line may turn the circuitous
> comment lists
> > into the place where all the work gets done, and the discussion (members
> > only) lists will only be used for voting.
> >
> > Comments?
> >
> >
> > </karl>
> > ============================================================
> > Karl F. Best
> > OASIS - Director, Technical Operations
> > 978.667.5115 x206
> > karl.best@oasis-open.org  http://www.oasis-open.org
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jon Bosak [mailto:bosak@boethius.eng.sun.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 9:13 AM
> > > To: workprocess@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > Subject: Re: TC visibility section question
> > >
> > >
> > > [lauren@sqwest.bc.ca:]
> > >
> > > | This section states that only members of a TC may post to the
> > > | general mailing list of the TC. My question is: what about
> > > | prospective members? They may attend meetings (including phone
> > > | meetings at the discretion of the chair) so it makes sense to me to
> > > | allow them to also post to the general mailing list.
> > >
> > > If prospective members were given the right to post to the TC
> > > list, there would be no distinction between TC members and all
> > > OASIS members; i.e., gaining the right to post to the list would
> > > simply mean sending a message to the chair rather than sending a
> > > subscription request to the server.  People who want to send
> > > comments to the TC have a comments list for this purpose.
> > >
> > > | As a meta-question: it looks like we might need a slight revision
> > > | of the process as we set up TCs to work with it to answer such
> > > | questions - what's the best way of doing this? For example, most
> > > | technical specs need an editor so the ER TC nominated and voted on
> > > | one. Do we need a FAQ for little questions that don't need a
> > > | change to the process?
> > >
> > > I believe Ken volunteered to put something like this together.
> > >
> > > By the way, I think that the best way to put together an editorial
> > > team is to constitute it as a subcommittee so that it has a
> > > structure and procedures of its own.
> > >
> > > Jon
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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