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Subject: Re: [ws-brsp] MINUTES OASIS WS-BRSP TC Meeting 27 September 2012
Hi Gershon & all - I saw the discussion about document formats below. Here are a couple of quick comments. - If you want to author in XML and generate HTML and PDF, let's talk. I can work with you to match the formats we use for output. AMQP does this, as does Docbook, DITA, UBL and I believe some others. - The UBL TC, compliments of Ken Holman has a package of style sheets already set up that can do this, so you could work in Docbook and have the publication package all set. - If you want to convert HTML into Word or Open Office and author/edit in those, please be sure to request templates from TC Admin using https://www.oasis-open.org/resources/tc-admin-requests/work-product-registration-template-request . That will ensure that you have the right cover page contents and styles and such and avoid delays when you are ready to go to public review. Let me know if you have any questions on these... /chet On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Gershon Janssen <gershon@qroot.com> wrote: > ---------------------------------------- > DRAFT MINUTES > OASIS WS-BRSP TC Meeting > 27 September 2012, 12:00pm > ---------------------------------------- > > * Member status changes after 27 September 2012 meeting: > > Lost voting rights: > None. > > Gained voting rights: > None. > > Now: 9 voting members in TC. > > * New Action Items: > > Action Item: Jamie Clark: Confirm what has been discussed by message to the > list > Action Item: Micah Hainline: look at how much we can do to fix the bug and > as part of that investigate the SVN repo access > > Scribe: Gershon Janssen > > 0. Call to Order and roll call > > Jacques Durand calls the meeting to order and welcomes everyone. > > * Roll call: > Jacques Durand > Gershon Janssen > Doug Davis > Alessio Soldano > Micah Hainline > Ram Jeyaraman > Jamie Clark > > 6 voting members present; this meeting quorates. > > * Changes to the proposed agenda: > Extend meeting with 15 minutes. > Some members need to leave after 1 hour. > > Agenda approved. > > > 1. Administrative > > * Minutes previous meeting > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-brsp/email/archives/201209/ > msg00008.html > Minutes approved by unanimous consent. > > * WS-I MS affiliation update > WS-I MS StC was cancelled, so decision deferred to October StC meeting. > > * Extend some meetings > Extend meeting to 90 minutes due to the infrequent meetings and workload? > Back-up meeting time is 1 hour earlier than the regular time. > All agree that 1 hrs earlier + 90 minutes would work. > > > 2. Logistics / Process about Maintenance of profiles, tools > > * JIRA for WS-BRSP > JIRA has been setup, see message for details: > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-brsp/email/archives/201209/ > msg00010.html > > * Comment list and its use. > Comment list has been setup. > > * General process to handle users requests/comments > > - Process is all feedback should come through the comments list and bug > reports should go JIRA > - Suggestion to systematically report all comments that qualify for > subsequent action into a JIRA issue > - Best for someone to monitor this process, which involves: look at comments > list --> qualifies for an issue? --> create a JIRA issue > - Gershon will start monitoring this as secretary of this TC > > - Next steps are: based on issue posted, person to be assigned to issue in > order to work on a solution > - Assignee can work on resolution; post comments; reassign, etc. This is to > make sure issues don't stay unassigned. > - Final decisions on issues to be taken at TC meetings. > > - TC agrees to start handling feedback and issues by the following process: > > Process for handling feedbacks: > 1. Users must report comments / issues on the BRSP comment list. > 2. The "comments monitor" (TC member, currently Gershon) files a JIRA issue > for every comment that looks like it needs TC action. > 3. Assignment of the issue for further investigation: either TC members > pick-up the issue on their own, or chair finds an assignee. > 4. The assignee makes a recommendation to TC, that could informally be > communicated to the user as just in-progress (not formally TC-approved) > 5. The TC makes a formal decision about this recommendation at next meeting > - either a resolution, or just a direction to take to make progress on it. > > > * Inventory: Current set of tools: nature, suites, availability: (1) old > profiles tools (for BP1.1 and derived, BSP1.1): monitors + analyzers (C#, > Java), (2) new profiles tools (for BP1.2/2.0 and RSP1.0): logger + > analyzers (python, XSLT). > > - 2 sets: > (1) old profiles tools (for BP1.1 and derived, BSP1.1): monitors + > analyzers (C#, Java) > (2) new profiles tools (for BP1.2/2.0 and RSP1.0): logger + analyzers > (python, XSLT) > > - SVN repo -- See > https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/ws-brsp/ > > Action Item: Micah Hainline: look at how much we can do to fix the bug and > as part of that investigate the SVN repo access > > - Micah: our section of the SVN repo is empty > - Dug: we need to upload our src > > * The current bug report (Gerwins BP10 bug) > > MOTION: > > Motion to approve the proposed resolution (BRSP mailing list, > https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-brsp/201209/msg00016.html) to > Gerwin issue report, and communicate it as TC-BRSP decision to Gerwin, with > the condition that Gerwin posts prior to this his report in our comment > list. > > Jacques moves; Micah seconds. Motion carries. > > > 3. Distribution and management of source code (long term) > > * Role of OASIS > * Licensing aspects (Micah), OSS solutions > > Jamie Clark shares and clarifies what has been discussed by email offline. > > - Question: Past users of WS-I profiles claim conformance and use of logo? > Jamie: logo did come with the work, so we can continue the use of logo, > though, check with WS-I Member Section StC. > > Action Item: Jamie Clark: Confirm what has been discussed by message to the > list > > Next step is to go to the WS-I Member Section StC, which in turn will make a > recommendation to the Board. > > > 4.Other lines of work > > * Profile Specifications Moving current Profiles toward OASIS CS or further. > Formatting & source doc considerations. > - BP1.2 BP2.0 and RSP1.0; specs are complete, maybe should be updated a bit > - formatting aspect; source is XML. > - by oasis rules: source format, PDF and xHTML > - we have a source format (XML); from XML to HTML and from HTML to PDF > should be possible > - problem is how to render the front page. > - so there is an issue how to convert current format to a format editors are > more familiar with, e.g. MS WORD. > - Two options: > - solution1: XML=source, generate HTML (using ws-i XSLT converter), generate > PDF (from HTML) > - solution 2: port the spec (probably from its HTML format) into a > conventional word processor (MS word, OO..) and work from there. > - Gershon has a preference for generating, though front page issue. Need to > investigate. > - Comments and ideas are welcome ; to be shared on the list. > > * Still clarify our work priorities (testing? Profiles/tools maintenance? > Progress latest profiles as OASIS specifications/standards?) Who is > interested in what line of work. > > Deferred to next meeting. > > > 5. Adjourn > > Next meetings: > - 18/Oct @ 3p > - 15/Nov @ 3p or 2p (tentative) > > > --------------------------- > RAW CHAT TRANSCRIPT > --------------------------- > [11:55] Gershon Janssen: WS-BRSP TC Meeting > [11:55] Gershon Janssen: Thursday, 27 September 2012, 12:00pm to 01:00pm PDT > [11:55] AlessioSoldano morphed into AlessioSoldano(RedHat) > [11:55] Gershon Janssen: Host confcall: Fujitsu US Toll Free: 877-995-3314 > US Toll/International: 210-339-1806 Passcode: 9589308 > [11:55] Dug: hey Alessio! long time no chat! > [11:55] AlessioSoldano(RedHat): hi Dug > [11:58] Gershon Janssen: Agenda 1.Administrative -Minutes previous meeting > (https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-brsp/email/archives/201209 > /msg00008.html) -WS-I MS affiliation update. -Some meetings may need be > extended a bit? 2.Logistics / Process about Maintenance of profiles, tools > -JIRA for WS-BRSP > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-brsp/email/archives/201209/ > msg00010.html -Comment list and its use. -General process to handle users > requests/comments. -Inventory: Current set of tools: nature, suites, > availability: (1) old profiles tools (for BP1.1 and derived, BSP1.1): > monitors + analyzers (C#, Java), (2) new profiles tools (for BP1.2/2.0 and > RSP1.0): logger + analyzers (python, XSLT). -In the short term: Test tools > access: downloads from http://www.ws-i.org/, set-up in OASIS infrastructure > (we are currently sorting out with OASIS staff the use of Subversion s.code > control, IP aspects, giving access to TC members, for code use / code > updates). -The current bug report (Gerwins BP10 bug), proposed resolution to > be sent out before meeting. 3.Distribution and management of source code > (long term) -Role of OASIS (Jamie?) -Licensing aspects (Micah), OSS > solutions. 4.Other lines of work -Profile Specifications Moving current > Profiles toward OASIS CS or further. Formatting & source doc considerations. > -Still clarify our work priorities (testing? Profiles/tools maintenance? > Progress latest profiles as OASIS specifications/standards?) Who is > interested in what line of work. > [12:02] anonymous morphed into Micah Hainline > [12:03] Gershon Janssen: Scribe: Gershon Janssen > [12:04] Gershon Janssen: 0. Call to Order and Welcome > [12:04] Gershon Janssen: Roll call: Voting members: <Present, Name> Mike > DeNicola x Jacques Durand x Gershon Janssen x Doug Davis x Alessio Soldano x > Micah Hainline x Ram Jeyaraman Tom Rutt Joel Fleck > [12:05] Gershon Janssen: 6 voting members on the line; this is a quorate > meeting. > [12:05] Gershon Janssen: 1.Administrative > [12:05] Gershon Janssen: J: Extend today's meeting with 15 minutes? > [12:06] Gershon Janssen: Some members need to leave after 1 hour > [12:07] Gershon Janssen: Approval of Minutes of previous meeting > (https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-brsp/email/archives/201209 > /msg00008.html) > [12:07] Gershon Janssen: Objections to approval? Minutes approved by > unanimous consent. > [12:07] Gershon Janssen: -WS-I MS affiliation update. > [12:08] Gershon Janssen: WS-I MS StC was cancelled, so decision defered to > October StC meeting. > [12:09] Gershon Janssen: -Some meetings may need be extended a bit? > [12:09] Gershon Janssen: Next meet in 3 weeks?, so October 18? > [12:11] AlessioSoldano(RedHat): any time earlier then this (12 PDT) is fine > for me > [12:12] Gershon Janssen: Back-up meeting time is 1 hour earlier than the > regular time. > [12:12] Gershon Janssen: Next meeting is 18/oct @ 3p or 2p > [12:13] Gershon Janssen: After that the next meeting is on 15/nov @ 3p or 2p > (tentative) > [12:14] Gershon Janssen: Extend meeting to 90 minutes due to the infrequent > meetings and workload? > [12:14] Gershon Janssen: 1 hrs earlier + 90 minutes would work. > [12:14] Gershon Janssen: 2.Logistics / Process about Maintenance of > profiles, tools > [12:15] Micah Hainline: I don't think 90 minute meetings work well > [12:15] Gershon Janssen: Comment list has been setup (corrected); JIRA has > been setup. > [12:16] Gershon Janssen: - General process to handle users requests/comments > [12:16] Gershon Janssen: J: process is all feedback should come through the > comments list > [12:17] Gershon Janssen: J: bug reports should go JIRA > [12:18] Gershon Janssen: J: suggestion to systematically report all comments > that qualify for subsequent action into a JIRA issue > [12:18] Gershon Janssen: J: assign a person for this? > [12:19] Gershon Janssen: Micah: all have a JIRA account -- whoever has time > can put it in as a JIRA issue > [12:19] Gershon Janssen: J: preference for a designated person; e.g. chair > or secretary can monitor this process. > [12:20] Gershon Janssen: J: this involves: look at comments list --> > qualifies for an issue? --> create a JIRA issue > [12:21] Gershon Janssen: Gershon volunteers to start with this. > [12:22] Gershon Janssen: J: next steps are: based on issue posted, person to > be assigned to issue in order to work on a solution > [12:24] Gershon Janssen: J: assignee can work on resolution; post comments; > reassign, etc. This is to make sure issues don't stay unassigned. > [12:24] Gershon Janssen: J: final decisions on issues to be done at TC > meetings. > [12:26] Gershon Janssen: TC agrees to start with handling issues like this. > [12:26] Gershon Janssen: - Inventory: Current set of tools: > [12:27] Gershon Janssen: 2 sets: > [12:27] Gershon Janssen: (1) old profiles tools (for BP1.1 and derived, > BSP1.1): monitors + analyzers (C#, Java) > [12:28] Gershon Janssen: (2) new profiles tools (for BP1.2/2.0 and RSP1.0): > logger + analyzers (python, XSLT) > [12:33] AlessioSoldano(RedHat): is there the link of the svn repo? > [12:33] Gershon Janssen: Action Item: look at how much we can do to fix the > bug and as part of that investigate the SVN repo access > [12:34] Gershon Janssen: SVN repo -- See > https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/ws-brsp/ > [12:34] AlessioSoldano(RedHat): thanks > [12:35] Gershon Janssen: Action item: look at how much we can do to fix the > bug and as part of that investigate the SVN repo access; report at next > meeting on what we have. > [12:37] anonymous morphed into Jamie Clark > [12:37] Jamie Clark: (Which is why i joined the call) > [12:37] Gershon Janssen: Micah willing to look into this -- JAVA based > stuff. > [12:38] Gershon Janssen: @Jamie: added you to the roll > [12:38] Gershon Janssen: 3.Distribution and management of source code (long > term) - Role of OASIS (Jamie?) - Licensing aspects (Micah), OSS solutions. > [12:39] Gershon Janssen: Jamie to speak about this. > [12:39] Gershon Janssen: Jamie: share what has been discussed by email > offline. > [12:39] Gershon Janssen: Jamie: all WS-I testing tools belongs to OASIS now > [12:40] AlessioSoldano(RedHat): AFAICS our section of the svn repo is simply > empty atm > [12:41] Dug: right - we need to upload our src > [12:41] Dug: tool src > [12:44] Gershon Janssen: Jamie: donate code to public domain; licensing not > important but important is what we want to do. > [12:47] Jamie Clark: (License could be "important" but isn't part of > what we thibk the TC needs to focus on ...) > [12:49] Gershon Janssen: @Jamie: thanks -- my wording was a bit off... > [12:59] Dug: I need to drop > [12:59] Gershon Janssen: Thank dug; cheers! > [12:59] Dug: bye > [13:01] Dug: dropped > [13:02] Dug: byte Jacques - see you next week at cmwg > [13:02] Gershon Janssen: @jacques to post resolution to chat room for > minutes. > [13:02] Gershon Janssen: Micah: StC will make recommendation to Board > [13:03] Gershon Janssen: Jamie: confirm what has been discussed by message > to the list > [13:03] Gershon Janssen: Jamie: does it cover all concerns? > [13:04] Gershon Janssen: J: past users of WS-I profiles claim conformance > and use of logo? > [13:04] Gershon Janssen: Jamie: logo did come with the work. > [13:04] Gershon Janssen: Jamie: continue use of logo, check with WS-I StC. > [13:08] Gershon Janssen: Next step is to ask the MS StC. > [13:09] Jacques (Fujitsu): Resolution: to approve the proposed resolution > (BRSP mailing list, 9/26) to Gerwin issue report, and communicate it as > TC-BRSP decision to Gerwin, with the condition that Gerwin posts prior to > this his report in our comment list. > [13:11] Gershon Janssen: jacques moved; micah seconded it. motion carries. > [13:12] Gershon Janssen: 4. Other lines of work > [13:12] Gershon Janssen: J: Profile Specifications Moving current Profiles > toward OASIS CS or further. > [13:13] Gershon Janssen: J: BP1.2 BP2.0 and RSP1.0 > [13:13] Gershon Janssen: J: specs are complete, maybe should be updated a > bit > [13:13] Gershon Janssen: J: formatting aspect. > [13:13] Gershon Janssen: J: source is XML > [13:14] Gershon Janssen: J: by oasis rules: source format, PDF and xHTML > [13:14] Gershon Janssen: J: we have a source format, XML. > [13:14] Gershon Janssen: J: from XML to HTML and from HTML to PDF shoud be > possible > [13:15] Gershon Janssen: J: problem is how to render the frontpage. > [13:15] Gershon Janssen: J: how to convert current format to a format > editors are more familiar with, e.g. MS WORD. > [13:16] Micah Hainline: I have another call > [13:16] Micah Hainline: I have to go > [13:16] Gershon Janssen: J: so two options: 1. use source and convert; 2. > convert to WORD and work from there. > [13:17] Gershon Janssen: ideas? comments? > [13:18] Gershon Janssen: Gershon has a preference for generating, though > frontpage issue. probably investigate a bit > [13:18] Gershon Janssen: comments and ideas are welcome ; to be shared on > the list. > AlessioSoldano(RedHat): bye > Jacques (Fujitsu): spec editing and progression: solution1: XML=source, > generate HTML (using ws-i XSLT converter), generate PDF (from HTML) > Jacques (Fujitsu): solution 2: port the spec (probably from its HTML format) > into a conventional word processor (MSword, OO..) and work from there. > Jacques (Fujitsu): Process for handling feedbacks: > Jacques (Fujitsu): 1. Users must report comments / issues on the BRSP > comment list. > Jacques (Fujitsu): 2. The "comments monitor" (TC member, currently Gershon) > files a JIRA issue for every comment that looks like it needs TC action. > Jacques (Fujitsu): 3. Assignment of the issue for further investigation: > either TC members pick-up the issue on their own, or chair finds an > assignee. > Jacques (Fujitsu): 4. The assignee makes a recommendation to TC, that could > informally be communicated to the user as just in-progress (not formally > TC-approved) > Jacques (Fujitsu): 5. 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