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Subject: Re: [ws-caf-editors] next rev model


I'm going to send something in about 10 minutes.

Mark.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Greg Pavlik 
To: Mark Little 
Cc: ws-caf-editors 
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [ws-caf-editors] next rev model


I agree. I think it's bizarre; I expected to see some questions about the 
pass-by-reference model!. But I think it's best to be proactive about this.

Mark Little wrote:

OK. I find it strange to have to justify the pass-by-value aspect of
context, since it's the most fundamental version. We added pass-by-reference
afterwards because it looked useful as well.

Mark.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Pavlik" <greg.pavlik@oracle.com>
To: "ws-caf-editors" <ws-caf-editors@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 3:09 AM
Subject: [ws-caf-editors] next rev model


  
Gentlemen -- another draft that attempts to answer Peter's questions as
well as reflect what I think was the consensus outcome of the
discussions we had.  It's clear that some folks are going to challenge
us sharply on the utility of "pass by value" (what I consider to be the
normal model for simple transaction protocols) as well as the need for
exposing nesting relationships in the context structure; actually
Peter's latest email suggests that the whole idea of context should be
discarded altogether in favor of SOAP headers. So....

Here's a short list of TODOs. Please feel free to create a better list
or, should we stick with this, swap TODOs. Can we

1) make sure that this is an accurate synopsis of our shared
understanding? (Mark/Eric)
2) buttress it with some examples (Eric)
3) take a stab at building up the defenses from the likely objections
(why nesting structures are useful to expose in the context; what
contexts have in common  at the most basic level that needn't be
reinvented continuously in every protocol that uses SOAP headers, why
pass by value is useful, etc.) (Mark)

It would be great if we could have feedback from everyone by tomorrow
afternoon.

Thanks.

Greg








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