draft minutes 1-5-2004

[Greg Pavlik <greg.pavlik@oracle.com>]

Minutes January 5 

Rollcall results (courtesy of Martin)
 

David	Ingham	Member	Arjuna Technologies Limited
Mark	Little	Member	Arjuna Technologies Limited
Eric	Yuan	Member	Booz Allen Hamilton
Joseph	Chiusano	Prospective Member (12/22/03)	Booz Allen Hamilton
Alastair	Green	Member	Choreology Ltd
Tony	Fletcher	Member	Choreology Ltd
Peter	Furniss	Member	Choreology Ltd
Robert	Haugen	Member	Choreology Ltd
Dale	Moberg	Member	Cyclone Commerce
Bryan	Murray	Member	Hewlett-Packard
Bill	Pope	Member	Individual
Guy	Pardon	Member	Individual
Ben	Bloch	Member	Individual
John	Fuller	Observer	Individual
Peter	Cousins	Member	IONA
Oisin	Hurley	Member	IONA
carl	Trieloss	Observer	iona
Eric	Newcomer	TC Chair	IONA
Greg	Pavlik	Member	Oracle
Simeon	Greene	Member	Oracle
Aniruddha	Thakur	Observer	Oracle
Martin	Chapman	TC Chair	Oracle
Pete	Wenzel	Member	SeeBeyond Technology Corporation
Doug	Bunting	Member	Sun Microsystems
Jan	Alexander	Member	Systinet

 

1 Approval of minutes from Dec. 15th as is: motion by Greg, approved without discussion.

2 Action Point Review:

            Martin FAQ action postponed for next concall

            Mark to upload FAQ, sent to Martin. Not sure of status

            Martin and Eric to post IPR info, still open.

            Eric to send IP info to Jamie, still open.

            Mark to review BPEL issue process and bring proposal to group. Closed per email. Update later in meeting. 

            Greg to write proposal on addressing, will send out in a few days pending some internal discussions.
 

            Next two F2F meetings are arranged. Closed by email.

Chairs to setup implementation subgroup. Malik is sick, but email to group indicates that subgroup has been set up with email list.

3 Issue List Update

Mark sent email to Eric saying nothing to say. Mark: hopefully we are going to post URL tomorrow. Created categories that were agreed upon. Eric: will you also be able to give list of issues filed? Yes, will be able to see and file issues.

New agenda items: clarification of attendence rules. (Alastair would like) report on quorum: 21 and number of members: 28. Lost two members. Gained prospectives.

4 Implementation Team Update

Eric: team formed. Malik is the chair. Some email with brief summary sent to list. Simeon has sent a draft describing demo application. Proposal to base on WS-I supply chain management application. Looking at ways to use CAF, if any. Secondarily, proposal to have common repository for WSDL, tests, etc.: defer until demo is defined. 

Alastair, what is the proposed scope re: CAF's three "layers". Eric, idea would be to demo Context, CF, then TXM.

5 Document Draft Schedule

Eric: Decided April for WS-Context, August WS-CF, December WS-TXM. Not late until after the deadline. Alastair, how is F2F to be proceed with respect to documents. F2F: Nail issues at F2F and progress to draft. Greg: should we use issues list for editorial corrections? Eric: yes. Mark: should be wider range than faults or errors.

6 Discussion of Issues from List

 Not clear if anything was said. Martin: TC process ... [can't hear]

 Bob Haugen: Rules clarification for attendence. Scenario 1, attendence of alternate meetings; Scenario 2, I miss two meetings in a row; Scenario 3, never miss two meetings in a row, always attend two meetings in a row.

Martin: if you miss two out of three, you go back to observer. You will get an email, and an oppportunity to become a prospective member. To become a full member: 60 days or attend three meetings. Some chair discretion. If you know you will be away, can apply for a leave of absense. Bob Haugen: One other question: for two day F2F, how many meetings? Martin: considered one meeting. Alastair, can we publish this. Based on other experiences, this can be a touchy topic. Martin: agreed.

7 Open Discussion

 Alastair: any attempt to work through the examples that were solicited? Eric: posted for discussion; feel free to discuss now or email. Looking for commonalities. Martin: worth spending some time on a call. Eric: have time today. Alastair, volunteer for five minute exposition? Eric: proposal for agenda item (give time to prepare)? Alastair: would be useful to draw out commonality from different scenarios. Eric: Peter was on phone for F2F, raised issue of whether context was suitable for something other than transaction scenarios. This was the driver. Emails were as far as we got with it. Not meant to be definitive or normative. Tony: agrees with Alastair that it would be good to look at three or four. People can come to broad agreement as to what are real scenarios and useful to add to primer. Eric: agreed.

Alastair: wanted more detail on WS-I applications and context. Simeon: I sent email, can resend to the whole group. Eric: can you summarize. Simeon: I worked on the sample app implementation for WS-I, broke down ways it could be used for Context, CF, and TXM. Don't have proposal on hand, but basically: for context: session management scenario for the application. Had shopping cart scenario in WS-I, already built to do interoperability testing. Eric: our view is that session management is a good application of context.

Peter: when I suggested looking at samples, it would check what the common properties are, versus what was specific to a protocol. Alastair: would like to have group discussion. Eric: put on agenda for next weekend. Alastair: would like to put some work to make prepared comments for future discussion. Eric: based on emails? or on presentation? if email, post ahead for better discussion. Alastair: original point: useful to hear people present them to get points in relief; secondly, want to draw out similarities (would be happy to contribute to that). Eric: would be helpful to see before discussion; Alastair: will endeavor to do so, but cannot promise due to time constraints.

Alastair: would like to see the email sent to the wider list. Martin: can join if you are not implementing.

Jan: plan to meet weekly or bi-weekly; Kavi has it weekly. Martin: bi-weekly.