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Subject: Re: [ws-caf] context block or one element per type


Agreed.
 
Mark.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [ws-caf] context block or one element per type

I suggest we have a statement explaining why context is useful with this structuring approach.

Newcomer, Eric wrote:
It might be no harm to include the context wrapper as an optional element (ignored by those systems that don't want to deal with it but used by those that can) to indicate ordering - where one may want to define an order of header processing precedence.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Little [mailto:mark.little@arjuna.com]
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 5:37 AM
To: ws-caf
Subject: [ws-caf] context block or one element per type

After thinking about the structure of context further, there was some concerned that the current structure may inhibit adoption by potential users of the specification because it does require a change to existing context structures (or at least to recipients of the context). If we take the case of an activity that has security and transactions involved, then the current format of that context would be:
 
    <wsctx:ctx>
        <security>
            ...
        </security>
        <transactions>
            ...
        </transactions>
    </wsctx:ctx>
 
whereas normally you'd expect (because this is how the relevant specs. would define it) the context to be:
 
    <security>
        ...
    </security>
    <transactions>
        ...
    </transactions>
 
We've said from the start that existing services should just be able to plug in to Context and be used as-is. If we take the case of ALSs then that may well be the case (the difference between the formats of context can be hidden from the individual ALSs by the context service). However, that's not the case for user-level services (those things that actually consume the context), because we would need to look for a mangled form of their current context structure in the WS-Context format. Is this is a big thing? Maybe it makes sense to differentiate WS-Context aware user-level services from those that aren't?
 
If we changed the structure to say that there wasn't an all-encompassing context "wrapper", then it does allow non-Context aware services to be driven within a Context activity transparently - they just can't tell the difference since the context structure is identical. However, we would lose relationship information and Greg put this quite well:
 
"For one thing, I've found these kinds of non-nested relationships in XML to be awkward to work with and somewhat non-intuitive -- this is how the EJB spec structured that transcation attributes, for example, and I must say as an implementor I hated it."
 
If we were to change the structure of context so drastically (and I'm not convinced that it's required), I'd suggest we keep the basic context data element from the original context, but have it as a specific element. So:
 
    <security>
        ...
    </security>
    <transactions>
        ...
    </transactions>
    <activity-service>
        ...
    </activity-service>
 
A side-effect of such a change is that we'd lose the automatic nesting structure of the context. However, how services (ALSs) deal with nesting in their own context element is up to them. The problem comes if there's a required relationship between the various contexts (e.g., transactions only belong to the lowest-level child in a nested activity.) I haven't had a chance to fully think the implications of this change through yet, but I suspect we could either punt on this to the respective specifications, or provide some related-to schema element:
 
    <wsctx:related-to>
        <security>
            ...
        </security>
        <transactions>
            ...
        </transactions>
    <wsctx:related-to>
 
with attributes that allow you to specify where within a nested hierarchy a specific context element applies. But this looks complex.
 
Mark.
 
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Mark Little,
Chief Architect, Transactions,
Arjuna Technologies Ltd.
 
www.arjuna.com


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