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Subject: Draft Minutes 16th August Con Call


OASIS WS-CAF  Technical Committee
Teleconference 16th August 2004

Present

Mark Little (Arjuna), Guy Pardon (Atomikos) Joseph M Chiusano (Booz Allen Hamilton), 
Tony Fletcher & Peter Furniss (Choreology), Eric Newcomer (IONA), John Fuller (Individual), 
Guy Pardon (Individual), Martin Chapman & Simeon Greene (Oracle), Pete Wenzel (SeeBeyond), 
Doug Bunting (Sun).

Regrets / Leave of Absence:  Alastair Green (Choreology)

Martin took the roll and the chair.

Martin calculated that the meeting was not quorate, but said we would proceed as if the meeting were 
quorate interpreting the resolutions passed as recommendations to the next quorate meeting. 
Tony Fletcher agreed to scribe.

Agenda

There were no comments on the agenda

Previous minutes

Tony Fletcher proposed and Mark Little seconded the motion that we recommend to the 
next quorate meeting that the minutes of the teleconference held 2nd August 2004 be 
approved. There was no discussion and no objection to this motion and therefore it was 
passed by the meeting. 

WS-Context

Issue 141  by-value, by-reference updating and dereferencing

This issue is about updating and dereferencing contexts that are passed by value or by 
reference.  Eric asked if people felt the current text was sufficient.  Peter said that 
he needed to look through the whole document, and apologised that he hadn't but he'd 
been busy.  The text now referred to was in section 3.1.  There are implications of propagating 
by value or by reference.  With particular reference to section 3.1 paragraph 3, this text 
now seems to have lost its context.  Not yet clear to the uninformed reader what the 
differences are of propagating by value and propagating by reference.  Peter had offered 
to write text when this version 0.5 was out, but said he would now be happy to pass this task 
back to the editors.  He was suggesting clarification of the implication of each possibility.  
Peter said he did not anticipate a change in the answer but just a better explanation of the answer. 
Action 1: Editors to clarify the implications of, and the differences in propagating, updating and 
dereferencing contexts by value or by reference.

Progression

Martin said that he would like to initiate a move of WS-context to committee draft 
at the next call and so folk have until the next meeting in two weeks' time to 
raise detailed typographical errors, editorials, etc.  If still significant issues 
on this call then we may need another version (but none were raised).  If only editorials, 
as is the case, then not necessary. 

Editorials

Eric agreed that section 3.1 needs editorial revision, and mentioned that he also had some other editorial points.

Eric suggested adding an example of the use of WS-Addressing as well as of WS MessageDelivery 
now that WS-Addressing had been submitted to the W3C.  
Martin said he was happy if someone could do it.  . Eric said he would volunteer but has computer problems present and is on vacation.

Action 2: Eric to provide the WS-Addressing example text by early next week.

Martin asked for proposals/proposed edits to be circulated by e-mail.

Martin: as a purely editorial item he would like to see more text around the reference specification section.  
Mention application specifications that reference WS Context.

Action 3: Martin to provide a list of things to be covered (plus actual text if possible). 

Guy: In section 3 the context schema contains ServiceRefType for ‘context-service’ element 
whereas the following text mentions URI.  Does the third section, second bullet of 
description under Figure 4 apply to a previous version?  It mentions URI rather than ServiceReferenceType.

Martin section 2.2 talks about the relationship to WSDL.  Clarify that WSDL 1.1 must be supported.

Action 4: Martin and Eric to provide precise text for section 2.2 that states that WSDL 1.1 
shall be supported, at least.

Eric mentioned again that he had a few other editorial comments that he promised to type 
up when he has his computer back.

Martin mentioned that the namespace URI needs to be changed to an OASIS one.  
He suggested using a scheme similar to that used by the OASIS WS-Reliability 
specification and to include the date of when the specification is actually frozen.
Simeon made a motion to adopt this namespace proposal and it was seconded by Peter Furniss.  
The proposal was passed with no further discussion and no objections.

Martin requested that any proposed changes should be in the form of detailed editing instructions, 
such as change X to Y.  If editors concur with the proposed change than they should just do it, 
otherwise they should raise on e-mail. 

Eric and Martin mentioned that members of W3C might like to note what was 
happening in W3C about WS-addressing. 

AOB

Guy mentioned the new OASIS IPR situation and asked if we should discuss today.  
Martin apologised for not sending out his e-mail on this topic earlier, but as people 
had not had much time to think about it he proposed to add to the agenda for the next call.  
Guy replied that he was happy with that.

Martin mentioned that on the next call the group should start to talk about WS-Co-ordination Framework.

There was no other business and so a motion to adjourn was solicited.  
Tony responded and made a motion which was approved unanimously.

Next Meeting

The next meeting scheduled is a regular fortnightly teleconference 
30 August 2004 at 8:00 PDT, 11:00 EDT, 16:00 BST, 17:00 CET.                 



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