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Subject: RE: Issue 137 - DPWS - Discovery/Service types WSDL attribute

These are good questions, Toby.  The short version is that the device would expose both.


Let’s take the case of printer which exposes a printer service (e.g., PrinterService) and a memory card service (MemoryCardService).  Consumer printers often contain flash memory card readers.


Now PrinterService is incredibly unrelated to MemoryCardService.  There is very little overlap in how they function and what they do, and we would expect they will be standardized in completely separate standards bodies.  Similarly, client software for PrinterService is going to be completely unrelated to client software for MemoryCardService.  Neither one cares about the other whatsoever.


So both the printer and the memory card organizations define their own device types: PrinterDevice and MemoryCardDevice.  The device advertises both of these.  Clients for MemoryCardService know that they need to search for MemoryCardDevice, and clients that search for PrinterService know they need to search for PrinterDevice.


I suppose it’s always a possibility that someone could define a type that encapsulates both: we’ll call it MixedDevice.  If this is the case, PrinterService clients would now have to search for both MixedDevice and PrinterDevice types, which doubles our WS-Discovery traffic.  Maybe you could build rules around MixedDevice that would allow it to respond to PrinterDevice probes, but this does not work with discovery proxies (suppressing and non-suppressing).


Notice that I’m specifically not talking about the device class here, because I seriously doubt that this TC wants to be involved in the business of defining device classes.  One of the big attractions to DPWS is that there is no authority who defines what a “printer” is—it’s up to whoever builds a printer service and client.  A “device class” is a very tricky thing to properly define: if a PC exposes a USB-attached printer as a PrinterService, what “device class” is it in?


PrinterService clients want to talk to printers.  Why should they care about whether it is hosted on a physical printer, a PC, or a receipt printer attached to a cash register?  All they care about is the shortest possible path to discover and connect to a PrinterService.  This is what’s great about Web Services.


Now there are cases where many related services may be similar enough that advertising separate discovery types for each is too much overhead.  Example: the Kitchen Working Group may define MicrowaveService and ToasterService, and decide that they want all of them to use KitchenDevice.  This is an acceptable solution: clients of MicrowaveService and ToasterService both have a very clear path to get to the service they want to use.


Lastly, I want to reiterate that no spec authors would be obligated to use the mechanism I’m proposing.  If someone wants to build a complex device/service topology, they are absolutely free to do so.  They can simply describe the situation in their normative text and let implementers build it.  This is exactly the situation we’re in right now for all devices: implementers have to read the text and figure out that PrinterDevice is used to find PrinterService.  I’m proposing this appendix so that in the very common case of a single device type, spec authors have a very simple tool they can use to help their implementers identify the right type to use in discovery.





From: Toby Nixon
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 2:04 PM
To: Dan Driscoll; Ram Jeyaraman; ws-dd@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: Issue 137 - DPWS - Discovery/Service types WSDL attribute


What happens if you have a device that has multiple services in it? Which discovery type would actually be used? Is the assumption that they would all have the same discovery type? This seems to completely defeat the reuse of standard services in multiple device classes.


Toby Nixon  |  Senior Standards Program Manager  |  Windows Device and Storage Technologies  |  Microsoft Corporation

toby.nixon@microsoft.com  |  www.microsoft.com | V: +1 425 706 2792  |  M: +1 206 790 6377  |  F: +1 425 708 4811


From: Dan Driscoll [mailto:Dan.Driscoll@microsoft.com]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 11:32 AM
To: Ram Jeyaraman; ws-dd@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [ws-dd] RE: Issue 137 - DPWS - Discovery/Service types WSDL attribute


I keep forgetting to add a concrete example of what this would look like.  Sorry for the delay.


The proposed addition is highlighted.







        ... >


        <!-- WSDL Types and Messages go here -->


        <wsdl:portType name="WSDToasterService" dpws:DiscoveryType="tns:WSDToasterDevice">

                <!-- WSDToasterService operations go here -->



        <!-- optionally, also include an empty portType for the device-layer type. -->

        <wsdl:portType name="WSDToasterDevice" />





From: Ram Jeyaraman [mailto:Ram.Jeyaraman@microsoft.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 7:52 PM
To: ws-dd@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [ws-dd] Issue 137 - DPWS - Discovery/Service types WSDL attribute


This issue is assigned the number 137. For further discussions on this issue, please refer to this issue number or use this thread.


From: Dan Driscoll
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 4:54 PM
To: Ram Jeyaraman
Subject: NEW Issue - DPWS - Discovery/Service types WSDL attribute


This issue covers the case where we need an automated way to identify the empty discovery-layer portType from the Hosted Service type.  Unless otherwise overridden in another spec, I expect all applications require a discovery-layer type to advertise at the Device endpoint.  We can generate much better code for these applications by inspecting these in the WSDL that defines the service-layer portType.


Richer type description languages may also be defined outside of DPWS 1.1, but this lightweight solution meets a basic requirement for all WSDLs built for DPWS.


This mechanism cannot be mandatory, since some non-DPWS WSDLs are sometimes hosted in DPWS devices, and it is unreasonable to change the WSDL solely to fit into DPWS.


I propose adding an Appendix that describes how applications may add an attribute to identify this discovery-layer type.


Proposed addition:


Appendix ??? – Declaring Discovery Types in WSDL

Solutions built on DPWS often define portTypes implemented by Hosted Services, and a discovery-layer portType implemented by the Host Service so the presence of these functional services can be determined at the discovery layer.  The binding between a service-layer type and its discovery-layer type can be defined purely in descriptive text, but this appendix provides an optional mechanism to declare a discovery-layer type inside WSDL that can be consumed and understood by tools.


This appendix defines @dpws:DiscoveryType attribute to annotate the portType for the service-layer type.  The normative outline for @dpws:DiscoveryType is:


<wsdl:definitions …>

    [<wsdl:portType [dpws:DiscoveryType=”xs:QName”]? >





The following describes additional, normative constraints to the outline listed above:



               The name of the portType to be advertised by the Host Service to indicate that this device supports the annotated Hosted Service portType.


                If omitted, no implied value


[example usage follows]

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